- 10/01/2011, 06:12PM ET
Marlins Fan said 10/01, 06:34 PM
First of all, Valentine was a reputation for being great with the X's and O's, which would be a welcome change for the Sox considering some of the strange management calls Francona made this year.
Whether it was just game management or personnel decisions, Tito made some questionable calls and going off the reputation Valentine has, I think he would be a good upgrade as far as in-game decision making is concerned.
But most importantly, Valentine is a tough guy with a reputation for being a disciplinarian and not taking any guff from his players.
Francona admitted that the Sox had some locker room issues, and some of the Boston players have basically echoed his statements. By all accounts, Francona seems like a very nice guy, but I don't think his personality suited the team. Boston needs a coach who will keep the petty drama to a minimum and force the team to focus on baseball instead of letting minor issues destroy team chemistry.
The San Francisco Giants showed us that a team can be successful when they are focused and enjoy playing for/with each other.
The Red Sox are supremely talented, but lack strong leadership.
Valentine can be that leader.
C-C-C said 10/01, 07:03 PM
If it's an X's and O's guy you want, LaRussa is likely going to be available. And there is no debate that he is better than Valentine in this area.
If you want a disciplinarian, LaRussa is likely going to be available. And there is no debate that he is better than Valentine in this area.
If you want Managerial success, LaRussa is likely going to be available. And there is no debate that he has a FAR better resume than Valentine.
Bobby Valentines reputation isn't so much as a tough manager who won't take any guff from his players so much as that of a manager who will throw ANYONE under the bus rather than accept responsibility for anything. He has left every managerial job on poor terms. He didn't just burn bridges, he blew the suckers up.
Aside from the one year in which he led a supremely talented Mets team to slaughter at the hands of the Yankees in that World Series, Bobby has been a pedestrian manager, at best. His .510 career win % isn't going to make anyone sit up and take notice.
There are reasons nobody would hire him to manage in MLB these last 9 years. Those reasons haven't changed and aren't going to.
Marlins Fan said 10/01, 08:27 PM
One of the major problems with this Red Sox team is a lack of chemistry.
During the Sox' 2004 World Series run, it was obvious that they were a close group, a bunch of guys who liked each other and enjoyed playing with each other.
The current incarnation of the Red Sox is arguably just as talented as the 2004 group, if not more-so, but they don't get along with each other and aren't particularly supportive of one another.
The Sox will be looking for a manager to bring this group together, and for that reason there's a good reason that LaRussa shouldn't be considered.
According to the Boston Herald, one of the reasons the Sox weren't very emotionally attatched to their season was because some of the players were getting drunk during games and had a problem staying focused on the action on the baseball field.
The Herald goes on to say that when certain Sox' players had a day off, they would spend the time during games drinking beer instead of cheering on their teammates and just staying connected to the action in general.
Let me remind you that Tony LaRussa is ntorious for having a drinking problem, and was arrested in 2007 for drunk driving.
C-C-C said 10/01, 09:08 PM
So Tony having a DUI 4 years ago means he couldn't handle a clubhouse full of beer drinkers?
If that mattered (it doesn't) Bobby Valentine, just last year, was obviously drunk while WORKING for ESPN in a 'web gems' segment. I don't think we want to get into the drinking habits of potential managers. What's next? Their sex life?
One thing we absolutely agree on. The Red Sox major problem this year was a lack of chemistry between players with strong personalities.
So how have each of these guys fared in the past when it comes to being a disciplinarian?
Valentines 'my way or the highway' approach has often led to disdain, not respect, from his players, GM's, and even other coaches. His penchant for publicly throwing people under the bus has gotten him basically blackballed from the sport.
LaRussa's approach, on the other hand, has elicited nothing but respect and admiration from employers and employees alike. Past players, superstars and scrubs, almost to a man, praise him.
More importantly to this situation, players, no matter how talented, who don't buy into Tony's way, quickly find the bench. If that doesn't work, the door. (see Colby Rasmus)
Marlins Fan said 10/02, 04:31 AM
Since the Red Sox have a problem with players drinking during games, hiring a manager who has a reputation as a drunk (and some legal history involving bad decisions regarding alcohol) would send the wrong message.
Boston can't afford to enable the game-time drinkers. They need to hire someone who will make sure this kind of tomfoolery isn't happening mid-game.
Nobody cares what managers do on their own time, as long as it's not hurting anyone or their team. But LaRussa's incident became public, and that makes him a poor candidate for the Red Sox, considering their current problems regarding alcohol.
Valentine might have a my-way-or-the-highway approach, but so does LaRussa. Remember Colby Rasmus? He's gone because he didn't want to play by Tony's rules. Remember the Ozzie Smith situation? LaRussa didn't like some comments Ozzie made, so he told him he wasn't welcome to attend spring training a few years back. And Ozzie is one of the true legends of the present day Cardinals.
If the hardline approach from LaRussa would be a good thing, the same is true of Valentine.
Valentine just doesn't have Tony's baggage, and he is currently available.
C-C-C said 10/02, 01:09 PM
LaRussa had a DUI, 4 years ago, on his own time. Valentine was obviously drunk, last year, at work. If alcohol use is a concern here, which are you going to be more leery of hiring?
LaRussa's 'my way or the highway' approach revolves around the team concept. Rasmus, and his father, believed he was a special talent who should get special treatment. He was a disruption in the clubhouse and didn't get along with his team mates. (Sound familiar in Boston?). Tony made it clear that if Colby didn't fall in line with the team, he wouldn't play. When the kid sulked, he was shipped off to Canada. End result? Cardinals made the playoffs while Colby Rasmus tries to remake his image in another country. Smith was done and failed to accept it
Valentine's approach is quite different. He just throws people under the bus
Here is what SI said about Valentine a few years back: "...Makes the people who like him smile. Making the people who don't like him call him the worst of possible names..."You either like him or you hate him.". LaRussa is no where near as polarizing as this guy
Valentine has MUCH more baggage than Tony. And no where close to Tony's track record of success
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