- 10/02/2011, 12:29AM ET
C-C-C said 10/02, 12:31 AM
This is a takeoff on the other TD I'm in with Marlins fan. Since my White Sox are also looking for a new Skipper, it seemed appropriate
Terry Francona is the only manager Michael Jordan ever had. Why is that relevant? Because it was while he was managing the Birmingham Baron's. The White Sox AA affiliate
Tito got his start as a coach, and then manager, in the White Sox farm system. He proved to be an excellent coach and teacher of young players there. So much that he ended up with the high profile gig managing the Red Sox
Now that the Boston divorce is finalized, what better place for Francona than the organization that gave him his first shot?
Not only does it return him to an organization he's familiar with and an owner who he has a good relationship with, it's also the kind of team Terry is best suited to manage
The failings in Boston this year appear to have been caused by his inability to control spoiled veteran stars. Where Francona excels is in the teaching aspects of the game. That was gone with the Red Sox, but much needed in Chicago where they have several young, talented players interspersed with high character veterans (for the most part)
Argos. said 10/02, 11:22 AM
I'll trash Francona later, but first I'll introduce my candidate, Ryne Sandberg.
After having a HOF career on the North Side of Chicago as a 2B for 15 years, he knows and loves the city. The city loves him.
But then he went to coaching...
After three seasons in A & AA and 1 finals appearances, he was promoted to the AAA Iowa Cubs. He won manager of the year going 82-62 and winning the division. This past season he coached Lehigh Valley, and went 80-64 while making the playoffs and making it all the way to the finals.
5 Minor League Seasons, 3 Playoffs Appearances (with 3 different teams), 2 time Finalist
Hall of Fame GM and 3x World Series Champion, Pat Gillick said of Sandberg, "I don???t know what else he could do. I think he had a fairly successful run over with Chicago and he did a great job with us here. I think he???d make somebody a fine manager."
Scouts, and executives have raved about the job Sandberg has done in the minor leagues, and is clearly ready for his shot in the bigs.
Plus, he had a messy falling out with the Cubs last year, and he would love getting back at his former team by managing the cross town rivals, much like Mike Scioscia.
C-C-C said 10/02, 01:55 PM
You have to understand the dynamics of Chicago baseball when you start talking about Sandberg.
Ryne is an icon...on the North Side.
On the South side...he's a sworn enemy.
White Sox fans would near revolt with a Sanberg hiring. And that's not an overstatement. These fan bases hate the other team in town with a passion, and Sandberg represents everything Cubs. You may as well suggest Ozzie Guillen manage the Cubs. It would never happen.
Tito was every bit as successful as a minor league coach and manager as Sandberg. But he did it in the White Sox system. He's one of them. Not an outsider and certainly not the enemy.
More importantly, Francona has achieved the highest level of success at the MLB level. Twice. Potential is great, proven success is far better. A bird in the hand, and all that.
Jerry Reinsdorf is the most loyal owner in baseball. He's the man who gave Francona his first shot at coaching/managing professional baseball and by all accounts the two still have a great relationship.
Bottom line, Tito is a near perfect fit while Ryne is as close to the Baseball Anti-Christ as they come in Chi-Sox Nation.
Argos. said 10/02, 09:15 PM
Sandberg going cross town should not be a problem. He had a falling out with the Cubs, and has moved on. The Cubs didn't want him, and he doesn't want them any more. It was a fairly messy divorce/falling-out.
Plenty of players and coaches have gone to their rivals and been beloved by their new team, just like Favre, Shaq, or Johnny Damon. Heck, Slamming Sammy Sosa went straight from the White Sox to the Cubs. No one is going to revolt.
I also wouldn't consider Francona an one of the White Sox, and not an outsider. He last coached their minor leagues in '95. Not too many people (if any outside of Reinsdorf) still around the White Sox organization that knew Terry.
I don't know how successful Francona really has been. He absolutely sucked with the Phillies for 4 seasons. In Boston he had GREAT teams with massive payrolls, yet only won the division 1 time, and only won a playoff game in 3 of his 8 seasons with them. He hasn't won a playoff game with such a great team in 3 seasons, missing the playoffs entirely the past two years.
Francona even lost the club house and players started tuning him out.
Everyone needs a start, and this is the perfect start for Ryne.
C-C-C said 10/02, 09:57 PM
It wasn't a messy divorce, it was a trial separation. Ryno's problems were with Hendry, who was just fired. It appears both sides are ready to make Sandberg the next Cubs Manager
Courtesy of the Chicago Sun Times:
Sources close to Sandberg say he???s open to returning after the firing of former general manager Jim Hendry.
Again, you -really- have to understand the dynamics of Chicago baseball before stating it "should not be a problem". It would be a HUGE problem
Sandberg isn't even on the White Sox short list of people to interview. It's unlikely his name has even been uttered. ANY other team in baseball and you could made a good argument for Sandberg. Simply can't happen on the South Side of Chicago
Reinsdorf is all that matters. Sandy Alomar Jr hasn't played for them since 2002. Dave Martinez since 1997. Those are the other two names along with Tito on the short list for the job. (No Ryno)
Francona's style wasn't suited to the current RS roster. It's very well suited to the current White Sox roster. What doesn't work in one place, works well in another
You couldn't have picked a WORSE place to start for Ryne if you tried. Seriously.
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