- 10/06/2011, 01:20AM ET
Turk Turkleton said 10/06, 01:20 AM
My choice is going to be the Colts.
Since being blown out by the Texans in week 1, Indianapolis has started to become competitive not losing a game by more than one score. And with Kerry Collins on the sideline the offense has begun to gel into a more cohesive unit under Painter. Monday night in his first full night of work he threw for 281 yds and two scores and looked like he knew how to run the offense, which Collins just hadn't been able to pick up. So with Painter at the helm their offense can only improve.
The Defense isn't great but they do still have some playmakers up front. Dwight Freeney and Mathis can still put pressure on the Quarterback and that's big in a league where teams are passing more than.
Lastly their upcoming schedule is full of winnable games, with 4 of their next seven games coming against Cincinnati , Kansas City, Carolina, and Jacksonville. You win those games and pull off an upset and they could conceivably finish 6-10. Which would be enough to make them the winningest loser.
HOOTZ said 10/06, 10:54 PM
I would suspect any casual football fan would tell you that the Colts are the best 0-4 team going forward and that may be true. But, they're not going to be able to ride the coattail of past success in 2011.
The void left by an injured Peyton Manning (even if you consider him a system QB) is starting to look like there's no tomorrow. Granted they looked good on Monday night with Painter hooking up twice with WR Pierre Garcon, keep in mind they didn't win that game either.
Furthermore, in week 2 they lost to Cleveland by 8 points. That can be veiwed as not more than one score but you're still stretching a little here. To believe they will win 6 games, while possible, is a generous conclusion.
Also, if a team is 0-4 and has already lost 3 winnable games, the very essence of winnable becomes much harder to define.
I'm going with Minnesota here. Whether they go with McNabb or Ponder under Center, they still have Peterson as a workhorse out of the backfield, a defense that hasn't allowed more than 26 points (and that was against Detroit in overtime)...and for what it's worth....
The Vikings haven't lost ANY of their games by more than 7 points.
MTC, Good luck Turk.
Turk Turkleton said 10/07, 12:35 AM
7-15 39yds 1 Int 1 TD.
That was a complete game for Donovan McNabb. McNabb is not keeping anyone honest this year , teams are loading 8 or 9 men in the box and completely neutralizing AP. They have had the lead to start the half in every game they have played and even with the best RB in the league they haven't been able to grind one out. McNabb has been called out now by someone on 3 teams for his lack of conditioning and preparation, which in my opinion has been the major reason in these second half collapses. But that's just who McNabb is a zebra isn't gonna change his stripes this late into his career and every loss gives the coaches something to Ponder about.
The Vikings remaining Schedule looks likes this, Arizona @Bears GB @Carolina @GB Oakland @Atl Denver @Det Saints @Washington Bears Ouch. There are only 3 sub par teams in that group and these Vikings just lost to the Chiefs. They haven't shown any signs of improvement unlike the Colts who have been slowly working there issues out. Plus any week now the Vikings are gonna yank their QB for an untested weak armed rookie not a good place to be in.
HOOTZ said 10/07, 02:30 AM
"7-15 39yds 1 Int 1 TD. That was a complete game for Donovan McNabb.
Do you honestly want to talk about week 1 when Houston absolutuley handcuffed Indy to the tune of 34-7??? What part of McNabbs preformance do you consider in anyway infurior to the entire Inianapolis Colts that week? I'm wondering why in the world you introduced that stat.
As for AP being completely neutralized, why don't you take a look at his stats. He has only 81 carries for 376 yards and 3 TDs and an average of 94 ypg. The Vikings aren't using him enough. So, that means 8 or 9 guys up front are neutralizing him? I disagree.
They haven't shown any signs of improvement unlike the Colts who have been slowly working there issues out.
They've certainly shown signs of trying. They're working with a young TE tandem trying to build a format keying on second half drive sustainability. Every team is trying something to improve. It's not an inovation that is happening soley in Indianapolis.
The Vikings are just as commited to improving than any other team that is 0-4.
The Colts have already lost 3 winnable games and you are still trying to predict upcoming winnable games.
HOOTZ said 10/08, 10:19 PM
Let me break this down for you. It's not going to do you a whole lot of good saying the Vikings play Arizona @Bears GB @Carolina @GB Oakland @Atl Denver @Det Saints @Washington Bears Ouch.
Most teams are going to play harder against a division rival. In week 1 the Vikings took a good Lions team into overtime and lost by a field goal. Last week against the Chiefs we didn't see the same intensity.
You're not weighing in the Lockout Factor. Because of the lockout, Indy lost a Field General, An MVP, A play maker, a mover and a shaker and lastly a catalyst in Peyton Manning, and they didn't even know this was about to happen.
Minnesota knew they were up against the wall at the end of last season. Favre was a washed up had been. They fired thier head coach. They knew BEFORE the lockout what they were in for and adjusted to it.
The McNabb trade wasn't a Super Bowl hope, but an effort to keep the wheels turning and the engine moving forward.
If either of these teams has momentum going forward (which they don't), Minnesota gets the nod here.
Painter and Ponder are inexperienced. You don't know if you can build a team around them.
The Vikings are suited to win more games
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