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NFL Tourney: Who is the best Wide Receiver in the NFL?
PatsFan21 said 10/10, 03:22 PM
Right now, Calvin Johnson is the best wide receiver in the NFL.
Through 4 games this season, Johnson has 8 TDs, 2 in each game. If that trend continues, he will score 32 TDs, demolishing the record of Randy Moss set in 2007. I'm not saying he will, I'm saying he's off to a great start. The best ever in fact as no receiver, other than Johnson has had 4 games in a row with multiple TD catches.
Johnson is almost unguardable. He is 6 feet 4 inches tall and runs a 4.34 40 yard dash. He can beat you deep or jump over you. He has excellent hands and is a supreme red zone threat.
He averages 6 catches a game, good for 4th in the league and despite playing one less game than every one else in the league, still is the TD leader by 3 TDs.
As for some of the other candidates.
Welker is a very good receiver but he's a slot guy. He is not nearly as complete as CJ. Welker was shut down by Revis except for one play in which they safety blew the coverage. Welker can struggle against top CBs.
Fitz is a good receiver and comparable to CJ, but his numbers don't compare. He has a good QB now, but hasn't shown up in some of the games so far.
Good Luck Ahmad.
DonCorleone said 10/10, 04:15 PM
Second TD with you, and you miss another one of your Patriots guys. :D
Calvin Johnson is an elite receiver.
However, the best wide receiver in the NFL today is Wes Welker.
When I think of a wide receiver, I think of a guy that is agile, mobile, and can catch the ball in all parts of the field. You can talk about Johnson???s size all you want, but I feel like Welker being ???short??? for his position allows him to be a more productive receiver.
Welker is so productive because he creates so many opportunities for plays. He isn???t a guy that will just run sprints down the sideline and hope to catch a ball on some plays. With 45 receptions, he is also one of the most dependable players in the league.
Welker is arguably the most athletic guy in football. He is all over the field, and there???s no one better when creating plays after a catch.
More TD???s doesn???t mean more production.
Welker (5 games)- 740 YDS, 16.4 AVG, 5 TD???s, and 45 REC
Johnson (4 games)- 321 YDS, 13.4 AVG, 8 TD???s, and 24 REC
Talk about records, Welker has the most receiving yards ever after five games, and he'd have more TD's if not for the 7 passed to the TE's.
GL Patsfan
PatsFan21 said 10/10, 04:27 PM
Welker has more catches and yards than Johnson but you must take circumstances into consideration.
First off, Calvin is the only threat the Lions have. He is constantly double teamed and his role is not that of many catches. He is a deep threat, red zone guy.
Welker is a slot receiver who only has value if he has a lot of catches in a game. He doesn't have the same ability to beat the defense in more than one way. He must get open underneath. He isn't a deep threat or red zone guy.
Welker's yards are more a product of his numbers of receptions with Brady. Brady ONLY throws to Welker between the 20's. He had 16 catches 2 weeks ago, which was more than 75% of Brady's completions.
But look at who he's picking on: Oakland rookie Demarcus Van ****, the Dolphins poor secondary, Terrence McGee, etc. He hasn't face an elite corner, until Revis. Revis shut him down when guarding him. Welker struggles against good corners.
Johnson is unguardable. His stats rarely suffer even when facing elite corners. Just last year, he torched Charles Woodson for 2 TDs and this year has burned Aqib Talib and Brandon Flowers.
Johnson is much more a complete WR.
DonCorleone said 10/10, 05:58 PM
CJ has the benefit as well of being the only threat, which means he gets more opportunities once the Lions get to the red zone.
Welker, on the other hand, has to compete with Gronkowski, Hernandez, and Branch (who have 9 TDs combined), as well has 5 TD's by Green-Ellis.
I bring this up because Welker's style and his ability to make plays helps the Patriots score more TDs, whether he gets the credit for the TD or another teammate.
You say that Welker's only true value is if he catches a lot of passes, but he did have a 124 yard, 5 reception game against the Jets. Welker is a game-breaker, which is his biggest trait. He can grind a catch and stretch it out for a first down, as well as break off a 50+ touchdown catch at anytime.
Wow, bringing up a stat from last year? Ok. Johnson scored 2 TD's against Woodson and the Packers in October 2010. What did CJ do against Woodson and the Packers in December 2010? 0 TD's, 1 REC, 44 YDS. Yea.
Talk about Revis "shutting down" Welker, Revis still couldn't guard against that monster play by Welker. Safety's fault? Please.
Welker is more versatile, agile, and consistent.
PatsFan21 said 10/10, 10:27 PM
Is Welker a fantastic slot receiver? Absolutley. In fact he's the best one in the entire NFL.
But facts are facts and Welker is not nearly as dynamic as Calvin. Johnson can beat you deep (something Welker does not do), is a huge red zone target (something Welker is not), and is a big sideline threat (Welker isn't).
The biggest threat debate goes two ways, Ahmad. When the Lions get in the red zone, everyone knows who the ball is going to. But Johnson STILL has 9 TDs this year and by the end of tonight could have 10.
He had 3 guys on him, and jumped over all of them and caught the TD. And EVERYONE knew who the ball was going to.
Johnson, by the end of tonight, could have 5 straight games with multiple TD catches. No one has even had 4 before and Johnson is halfway to 5.
Welker struggles against good corners. Its a fact. Revis shut him down except for one play when Brodney Pool missed his coverage over the top in the zone. Revis held Welker to one catch for 4 yards in one on one.
Fact is no receiver other than Johnson, is 6'4", with 4.34 speed, and 43 inch veritcal leap.
Good TD Ahmad.
DonCorleone said 10/11, 12:19 AM
Cris Carter scored mutliple TD's in four consecutive games (1995).
Besides that, like I said, TD's aren't everything. It is very impressive what CJ is is doing, as both CJ and Welker are having a remarkable season.
The two Johnson's are the best at burning CB's along the sideline, and Welker is the quickest and most agile receiver, in terms of running slants, and juking (and jiving :D) all over the field.
With 45 receptions and 740 YDS, Welker certainly is as dynamic as Johnson for the simple reason that he keeps drives going. Welker is the spark plug that keeps the Patriots offense going. He does it all.
Fact is, Welker is 5'9, and is still schooling professional defensive players. You have to admit that even you get blown away watching Welker when he's on fire.
Revis shmevis. You can't blame a saftey that you think should have helped Revis cover Welker for the 75-yard TD.
It's your cup of tea what type of receiver you prefer. Welker gives more opportunites for his offense to drive down the field with his skill-set as a slot/wide receiver.
GD TD, Patsfan.
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Just so, everyone knows, I'll be taking Calvin Johnson.
PatsFan21
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I had you pegged for a welker fan... lol
Sweetness85
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Larry Fitzgerald
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I am a Welker fan but Calvin is a better receiver
PatsFan21
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Calvins is really only good at one thing and that is jump balls. Otherwise he is an average receiver.
U. Wrex
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But he is really good at that one thing.
U. Wrex
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It's a shame his TD streak will come to an end tonight...
Sweetness85
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HA HA HA.
DJRoxalot
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Then I'll let you cover him one-on-one when he goes on a long skinny post 40 yds downfield. You don't stand a chance.
Celtics Rule!
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yeah, he will score 3 or 4 TDs tonight instead of 2
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This might be a worse attempted criticism than the guy who said "Cris Carter isn't that good, all he does is catch TD's".
C-C-C
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Are the '85 Bears playing? As old as they are, they might STILL be better than what Chicago is calling a defense these days...
C-C-C
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Ooops sorry about the question marks. Good luck, Patsfan. Nice tourney.
DonCorleone
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In my second argument, it should read Demarcus Van ****-e, i guess you cant say the last word of his name on FN
PatsFan21
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D--y-k-e
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Same to you Ahmad.
Thank you.
PatsFan21
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One of the dumbest things I've ever read on this website.
PatsFan21
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And I've read a ton of dumb things, especially from Cassiroy, Cain, PCH, etc.
PatsFan21
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I disagree with most of PatsFan21's 2nd argument. Calvin Johnson is very good, but I think its doing the Lions a disservice by saying he's the only threat. I also disagree with the criticisms of Welker. it'll be interesting to see what LA Ahmad comes up with next.
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