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  • 10/12/2011, 05:28PM ET

LBJ would not succeed in the NFL

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he doesnt have the toughness

on paper he has size
but he isnt tough enough to take the week to week pounding that is the NFL




this isnt like jordan taking up baseball for fun...this is the NFL baby
this isnt like a high school junior suddenly taking up football.
lbj is 27 years old. his body is a basketball body...not used to taking hits

if he were like gates and gonzalez and started football much younger, MAYBE




can you imagine a hard hitting SS coming in and leveling LBJ?
or ray lewis catching him in the middle?


there is basketball tough.....then there is FOOTBALL TOUGH
anyone who played knows the difference


You say if Lebron James were like Gates & Gonzalez and started football much younger, MAYBE.

And ultimately you strongly state that LBJ would not succeed in the NFL.

I say if LBJ decided to play professional football, he would succeed and fill position for a number of NFL teams.

Randy Moss - 6' 4", 210 lb WR
He was a talented basketball (West Virginia POY 2x) and football player in HS.

Harold Carmichael - 6' 8", 255 lb WR
Played basketball & football for Southern University.

Joe Montana - 6'2", 205 lb QB
Excelled in basketball (North Carolina State offered a scholarship) & a football All-American team, during high school.

Rob Gronkowski - 6'7", 265 lb TE
Also played basketball & football in HS.

Learning curve for catching a football is easier than hitting a smaller ball that is moving at well over 90+ mph with a bat. Michael Jordan also had to play in the outfield besides batting, another skill set that has to be learned.

Physically, LBJ can succeed & fill a roster spot. Being 6' 8" & 250 lbs, he could easily strong arm his defenders much like Carmichael, and out jump them like Moss.

Toughness? Try playing against Shaq & Kendrick Perkins - mtc.


Shaq whines when someone slaps his wrist...what would happen if Ray Lewis lit him up?

I think you are making a crazy leap.
FOOTBALL TOUGHNESS is not something you can just develop. You mention guys who played both sports in COLLEGE. This is the N_F_L...the best of the best.


AND OH PLEASE...
LBJ needs to learn more than to just "catch a ball". There is a reason why guys like Jerry Rice practiced longer than other players. First to show up, last to leave.

The nfl playbook is 4x the size of a nba playbook
just learning the plays, routes, reads, etc... confuse people who have played it for a decade...lbj was never accused of being a genius!



I think he'd sell a lot of jerseys...but i dont think he would succeed on the field

at his age he isnt as fast as he was
he doesnt heal like he used to.... and in the nfl you get WORSE injuries than in the nba


You talk about toughness when the 2 positions that LBJ would try out for would be WR & TE. LBJ won't be a Linemen that takes most of the abuse and grunt work in the trenches. We're not even talking about QB, a position that requires you to be the leader & decision maker. LBJ would not go in as a RB, a position that has a shorter career compared to a WR-TE.

Carmichael played for 14 years as a WR. Tony Gonzalez is playing at 35 yrs old and still producing. Herman Moore played for 12 yrs using his height to his advantage. If you are a 5' 9"-6'-2" DB-SS, don't you think you'd be at a disadvantage? Take a look at Jimmy Graham of the Saints. He is 24 yrs old & is playing great. 6' 6", 260 lbs, has played in 5 gms, racked up 496 yds this season. He played basketball & football for the U, success is standing in front of you.

Being 27 yrs old is not big a factor. A man's prime yrs are in his early 20's-early 30's. LBJ is physically in his prime yrs. Do you have to be smart in football? McNabb's Wonderlic score was 14, Marino's & Bradshaw's were 15. AJ Green, a WR, scored a whopping 10 coming from the SEC. Yet teams wanted him and he has played well as a rookie - mtc.


Forfeited Turn


With the forfeit, I will just say that LBJ can succeed. He is physically gifted enough to make the transition, the positions that he would tryout for are believable for him to step into. And he is certainly young enough to still play the game. Yes it does take some smarts to play in the NFL, but other athletes have been successful while scoring low on the Wonderlic test.

Hope to do another throwdown with you in the future again Bear, & good luck with your team this weekend.

October 12, 2011  06:00 PM ET

This is an easy win attempt, obviously Lebron cannot succeed in NFL, he has not played since HS. And football is a complicated sport

However, you questioning his toughness is weird. He is a physical freak. He has not suffered injuries.

As for him getting hit by a SS or Ray, how many players have made a living getting leveled going across the middle. I don't think Gates will come out OK following a clean hit from Ray.

October 12, 2011  06:01 PM ET

Ha, isn't Rude doing this?

October 12, 2011  06:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Ha, isn't Rude doing this?

If he is let me know

October 12, 2011  06:15 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Ha, isn't Rude doing this?

He is but his reason has nothing to do with ability. But $$$

October 12, 2011  06:24 PM ET

Lyndon Baines Johnson?

October 12, 2011  06:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

This is an easy win attempt, obviously Lebron cannot succeed in NFL, he has not played since HS. And football is a complicated sport However, you questioning his toughness is weird. He is a physical freak. He has not suffered injuries. As for him getting hit by a SS or Ray, how many players have made a living getting leveled going across the middle. I don't think Gates will come out OK following a clean hit from Ray.

Also the debate is could he have been successful had he played football. A player with his size, strength and athleticism would have created a lot of matchup problems.

October 12, 2011  06:43 PM ET

Didka could take out LBJ on the basketball court.

October 12, 2011  08:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Lyndon Baines Johnson?

From the grave, no way.

October 12, 2011  08:20 PM ET

Well, he barely survived the White House...

October 12, 2011  08:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Well, he barely survived the White House...

Ha!

October 12, 2011  08:23 PM ET

If Roy Williams and JJ Stokes could play for the NFL, LBJ most certainly can do so.

October 12, 2011  08:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

If Roy Williams and JJ Stokes could play for the NFL, LBJ most certainly can do so.

Renaldo Nehemiah.

October 12, 2011  08:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Renaldo Nehemiah.

You saying U need a Bolt of lightening for that pass experience.

October 12, 2011  08:53 PM ET

I'm not so sure LBJ would even play Tight End .. He would be lined out wide every play and he would be catching jump balls left and right .. He's almost as fast as Calvin Johnson except he's bigger, stronger, quicker, and he can jump higher .. To say he wouldn't succeed because he isn't "tough" enough .. You are weighing an INTANGIBLE that you have NO WAY of knowing if it is true or not .. And on top of that you compare him to Antonio Gates one of the most oft injured tight ends of the recent era .. C'mon dude .. If anything your argument eludes to the fact that he would be EXACTLY like Antonio Gates ..

LBJ is a lot of things but physically "weak" or not "tough enough" is not one of them .. I've seen the guy play through many injuries in the NBA and the guy averaged 78 games a year (out of 82) and missed a few because they already had the number one seed locked up .. Not "tough" enough? Forget about it

October 12, 2011  09:41 PM ET

It depends what you mean by succeed...I don't think he would be a supermegaawesome star, but he could probably make a team.

October 13, 2011  02:06 AM ET

He is a freakish athletic specimen. I think he could probably succeed. Until the 4th Qtr.

October 13, 2011  03:51 AM ET

Good luck Bear.

October 13, 2011  10:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

This is an easy win attempt, obviously Lebron cannot succeed in NFL, he has not played since HS. And football is a complicated sport

See Antonio Gates.

October 13, 2011  10:35 AM ET

I think he could definately make a team if he signed in the off season and went to all the OTAs, mini-camps and training camp. And be a star, just not right away. He would need to develope all his football skills including blocking to be allowed on the field during a live game to abvoid getting a teammate killed (QB or RB).

 
October 13, 2011  11:06 AM ET
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See Antonio Gates.

Good point but gates didn't wait around till the age of 27 to go back to football.

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