- 10/13/2011, 01:57PM ET
VGuzz said 10/13, 01:57 PM
Well, being that this is my first throwdown, I'll start by "throwing down" some stats.
Aaron Rodgers' completion percentage 71.7%
Tom Brady's completion percentage 67.9%
Aaron Rodgers' yards per attempt 9.6
Tom Brady's yards per attempt 9.6
40+ yard passes
And of course Team Record
Rodgers Packers 5-0
Brady's Patriots 5-1
I realize that stats don't mean everything in sports but they sure do mean somethin'. Especially when someone is leading the other in nearly every important category like Rodgers is to Brady. And if the stats don't mean anything, then the team record does. No need to elaborate on that aspect.
In my opinion, Brady also has a better receiving core than Rodgers.
Welker vs. Jennings
Ocho Cinco vs. Driver
Hernandez vs. Finley
Gronkowski vs. Nelson
No doubt in my mind that he has an easier receiving core to work with than Rodgers.
Good luck to whoever I'm throwin' down against.
PatsFan21 said 10/13, 11:05 PM
I'm sorry Sir but Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Rodgers.
You cannot say that because of 5 games, Rodgers has surpassed Brady.
Yes, I understand Brady threw 4 picks against the Bills and has 6 this year. But take a closer look at that stat. Two of Brady's INT's have been dropped out of his receivers (Woodhead and Hernandez) hands and into the hands of a defender, neither of which his fault. And another one was batted at the line and picked off, again not his fault. That brings us to 3 picks in which Brady is responsible. Not bad for 5 games in.
Second, the receiving depth on these teams are not similar. Welker and Jennings are comparable, with an edge to Welker, but after that it isn't close. OchoCinco? Really? Have you seen him play this year? Season high of 45 yards!
Team Record should decide who is better? Tell me how their record 5 games into this season is relevant? Yeah, Brady's team lost a game. Big deal, it happens, they weren't going 16-0.
But if you want to talk winning, one of these guys has 3 Super Bowls and the other has one. Yes, I know Brady has been around longer but its VERY hard to win 3 and we cant assume Rodgers will get there.
VGuzz said 10/14, 11:47 AM
I'm sorry everyone. I meant to say this season in the post. And you can't argue dropped or tipped passes as being excused interceptions. Everybody has those. And Brady has far better targets. I don't see Jennings gettin' 100 catches per year. And just because Brady doesn't throw Ochocinco the ball doesn't mean he's not a good NFL receiver.
And team record means a lot in the league. I'm pretty sure it defines who gets into the playoffs and who doesn't. So, if you're going to argue about superbowls, then don't say that team record doesn't matter. AND Brady's Patriots lost to ELI MANNING'S GIANTS in the superbowl. Brady only had 266 yards and a touchdown against a weak Giants defense. Are those the kind of stats great superbowl quarterbacks should be putting up? Didn't think so.
Also, you have to realize that all of Brady's superbowls have come BEFORE RODGERS WAS EVEN DRAFTED!!! One of them while he was still in HIGH SCHOOL. How is Rodgers supposed to compete with that. In present day, there is no doubt that Rodgers is a better NFL quarterback. And Rodgers isn't afraid to throw the long ball when it's open. Brady just dumps the ball. Doesn't take much skill. GL
PatsFan21 said 10/14, 12:05 PM
Too late to change the basis of the TD, sorry dupe.
There's no doubt Rodgers is better? No doubt? Then tell me how Brady was the unanimous MVP?
Brady can't throw the ball down the field? He averages the same number of yards per completion as Rodgers.
Brady doesn't have that much skill? Really? Then tell me how he had 36 TDs and 4 INT's and is on pace to break the all time record for yards in a season. You seemed to leave out yards in your first argument, coincedence?
Brady doesn't throw Ocho the ball? Then explain Ocho's dropped TD against the Bills.
The receivers aren't comparable. Brady has two slot receivers and 2 second year tight ends. Jennings has a veteran great receiver in Driver, a great wideout in Jennings, and one of the league's best TE's.
So Brady isn't as good as Rodgers because his defense fell apart in the Superbowl in 2007? That's a solid argument.
Weak Giants defense? Yeah, it's they didn't have Strahan or Antonio Pierce or Osi or anything.
Team record separates these two? Please tell me how Brady being 4-1 and Rodgers being 5-0 this season, with no teams in common, makes Rodgers better.
Brady > Rodgers
VGuzz said 10/14, 12:28 PM
Plain and simple. THAT WAS THEN... THIS IS NOW...
And yeah. Brady can't throw down the field. He only averages 9.6 yards per throw because of Wes. Look at that 99 yard touchdown for example. That could've easily been a 5 yard gain if the Dolphins knew how to tackle correctly. And I never said Brady has no skill. I said he has less than Rodgers. Not much less, but slightly. That's strictly my opinion. And I left out yards because they have the same yards per attempt. It's not Rodgers fault that the coaching staff doesn't allow him to throw as many times as Brady.
And correct. Brady doesn't throw Ocho the ball. He has 14 targets all season. That's 2.8 targets per game. 5th on the team. Driver is old, slow, and easy for NFL quarterbacks to cover now. Jennings is doing far less than Welker this season. And Welker always has to make something out of nothing the way Brady gives him those dump passes, and the Gronkowski-Hernandez combo is far better than Finley, correct?
And Brady's defense fell apart in the superbowl? HA! They allowed a mere 17 points. If Brady is so great of a quarterback, don't you think he should be able to score more than 17? GoodLuck
PatsFan21 said 10/14, 01:16 PM
Brady gave his defense the lead late in the fourth, driving against a good defense. His defense didn't get the job done. Can't blame Brady for that.
Brady averages 3 more passes per game. Don't make it sound like Rodgers never throws.
Plus, Brady consistently faces more guys in the secondary because the Patriots couldn't run up until this week. Rodgers has a run game.
Don't say Driver is easy to cover. We both know that's BS.
Brady only averages 9.6 because of Welker? Then tell me why Gronkowski averages 15 yards a catch (1 less than Welker), and Branch averages 14 per catch. It's not all because of Welker.
Brady throws to Ocho, he drops the ball. Why keep throwing to someone who keeps dropping passes?
You said what Brady does requires no skill. I say your an idiot if you think playing quarterback in the NFL for ANY team requires no skill.
Facts are Brady has won 3 SuperBowls to Rodgers one. Yes, I know he has played longer but there's no guarantees how many times Rodgers will get there that many times. Hell, Rodgers hasn't even won his division before.
Overall, while Rodgers is a great QB, he isn't quite in Brady's level yet.
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