- 10/15/2011, 11:53PM ET
harrisplz said 10/15, 11:53 PM
I've been wanting to do this TD for while...
In recent years, the NBA has officially turned into a "PG League"; big, bruising centers are becoming extinct and quality point-guards are more becoming more and more abundant.
And with this surge of PGs, a lot of teams have sought the likes of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Steve Nash in free agency, throwing them the kind of money superstars deserve.
And I ask why? I'm going to straight up come out and say what a lot of NBA fans won't like to hear. I think Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash are NOT superstars!
And my reasoning behind this is that while the NBA may have transitioned into a more PG oriented league, championships are still won with the highly coveted BIG MEN.
Let's take a look at the last 12 years:
Arguably, only the Celtics had an "elite PG." (whether Rondo is actually that good is another debate)
An astounding 8 of those finals were won by the Lakers and the Spurs who featured Shaq/ Pau-Bynum and Duncan.
Elite PG's are nice to have, but not necessary at all.
J-Business said 10/16, 02:21 AM
While your suggestion holds some truth, it's only relevant for the past decade
The overwhelming majority of those clubs had either Shaq or Tim Duncan patrolling the middle. Those players and other big men like them are either retired or close to it.
Pau-Bynum is good, however they have not been the deciding factor in their championships. Kobe and to an extent, the steady play of Derek Fisher have been equally as important.
A close look at the NBA Finals will show that the difference between Miami and Dallas was the play of the PG. Dallas has a decent one, and Miami has garbage.
If we look at the 6 conference leaders from last season - Boston, Chicago, Miami, San Antonio, OKC, LA
Four of these teams have a top level PG and only the Lakers have an elite big man.
The future of the NBA will be more impacted by the play of Westbrook, Rose, Rondo, Paul and Williams more so than the very few big men.
In fact, it can be said that Dwight Howard is the only superstar big man in the NBA right now.
Point being, it's true that the past decade has belonged to big men, but it's quite clear that the current and future NBA will be dominated by point guards.
harrisplz said 10/16, 12:49 PM
All you really proved was that the NBA is in fact a PG league- something I agreed with very the beginning.
The only time you actually tried to prove that having an "elite PG" is important was through your references to this years finals and conference leaders.
Goodness gracious, where to start...
While Jason Kidd was important to the steady play of the Mavs, the real difference maker in the finals was Dirk WITHOUT A DOUBT. A "close look at the NBA finals," as you mentioned will that Jason Kidd was better than Mario Chalmers at controlling the tempo, and that's it.
In no freaking way was the finals determined by PG. play. ( cough cough Lebron )
As for the conference leader reference? That example in some ways even supports my argument. All those teams with star-power point guards somehow found a way to LOSE in the playoffs, again and again!
All I want to say really is that while PG's are dominating the league, Big Men are still the more important component to creating a championship caliber team.
And my argument only holds truth from the last decade? Is this some kind of a joke? Big Men= championships since forever.
J-Business said 10/16, 06:15 PM
A large part of your argument is based on the past that we no longer live in
Yes, big men have been the main key to NBA titles
From the 60's to the mid 2000's the NBA has been dominated by
60's: Russell - Wilt
70's: Kareem - Bill Walton - Gilmore
80's: Kareem - Parrish - Hakeem
90's: Hakeem - Shaq - Ewing - Robinson
00's: Shaq - Duncan
Currently there is only one superstar big man and that's Dwight Howard and he hasn't won a title and doesn't rank close to the greats of past decades
And even then, he's only one truly elite center. After him, the next best centers are Bynum, Bogut, Marc Gasol and Nene
While it may be true that all of those conf leaders lost in the playoffs, none of them were because they went up against an elite center
In fact, Dwight Howard was eliminated in the 1st rd and he's the only elite center in the league
I could also make the argument that the wing players have had a much greater impact due to Kobe, LeBron and Wade
The current crop of PG's are some of the best in the past 20 yrs.
Fact is, the center position is the weakest it's been in decades and will have less of an impact than the PG
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