- 10/24/2011, 02:14AM ET
Marlins Fan said 10/24, 02:14 AM
I get it. He's a hard-nosed player. He likes hitting people, hard. The NFL is a grown man's game, and Suh isn't paid to be a nice guy. I get it.
Suh has developed a reputation as a borderline dirty player. Whether it's tussling with Logan Mankins after a preseason play is over, roughing up Jake Delhomme and Andy Dalton during the 2010 and 2011 preseasons respectively, or being flagged for his hit on Jay Cutler during the 2010 regular season, Suh has made a name for himself as a guy who wants to intimidate his opponent.
Says Suh: "Last year, we earned respect, but this year we want fear. We want quarterbacks to fear us, and we want offensive lines to fear us."
I get all that.
But this time he's taken it too far. Mocking an opposing player for suffering an injury is just bush league.
During the Lions-Falcons game, Falcons QB Matt Ryan suffered a nasty looking ankle injury after one of his offensive linemen stepped on his foot.
According to Falcons center Todd McClure, Suh made fun of Ryan, saying "Get the cart, and several other things that I can't repeat".
Suh needs to learn how to balance intensity with respect.
Sabih said 10/24, 12:26 PM
First of all, there is no evidence of him doing or saying any of these things. Right now, it is White and McClure's word against Avril and Suh.
If he was saying something so offensive and appalling, why didn't the Falcons OL react. If you are so offended, why not saying something right there instead of running to the media. And Roddy White, please. The guy has to be either blind or has a very vivid imagination, tell me do you see Avril kick Ryan's leg?
They are standing right there. I see no evidence of Avril kicking his feet as White claimed. Suh is nowhere near Ryan, he is off to the right and I do not see him reenter the frame.
How can McClure repeat things, he is nowhere near Suh to begin with.
Second, even if he said it. Is it really that awful?
Suh did not hurt him and stand over his head. It was his own player.
He didn't physically hurt him like Haynesworth stomping Gurode. Besides he is a DT, not running for Miss Congeniality. Defensive players and OL are expected to be aggressive.
Marlins Fan said 10/24, 09:39 PM
You're right, it's hearsay at this point.
But today Suh came out and said "To me it's karma for all the bad stuff they've done in the past. Their offensive lineman hurt their own quarterback."
Unless Matt Ryan has been hurting opposing players somehow, it's definitely not karma.
But the bigger point here is this - for Suh to say he viewed Ryan's injury as karma, that tells you he felt some level of satisfaction at seeing Ryan get hurt.
It gives McClure's accusations validation.
Based off what Suh said today, yeah, I totally believe that McClure told the truth when he said that Suh mocked Ryan for being injured.
And that's a bush league move.
Laughing at another person's personal injury isn't being competetive. It isn't being aggressive. It's being a poor sport. It's childish. To me, it's borderline evil to mock someone's injury.
Suh can be as aggressive as he while playing wants on the field, but mocking an injury has no place in sports or in life.
I agree with you to an extent - NFL linemen should be aggressive.
But Suh wasn't being aggressive, he was being malicious.
Very poor sportsmanship.
Sabih said 10/25, 12:51 AM
Suh was referring for the team not Matt Ryan. A few weeks ago, GB accused ATL of being dirty. Also, Dunta Robinson, for the second straight year turned himself into a rocket and launched himself into a WR head.
The Falcons aren't exactly angels. And that's fine. Because this is football, its a contact sport.
Here is the link for the interview:
Suh also says this in the interview
"The man's sitting on the ground. We've obviously continued to do our job, getting to him, causing havoc. ... At that time, when he's on the ground, there's nothing that I have to say to him."
And where in the video is he mocking him? Nobody reacts on ATL. They don't even flinch, look at him or anything. If a player is mocking your player, your leader and you think he is crossing the line you don't wait till the end of the game and complain to the media.
You don't make up stuff (like Cliff Avril kicking Ryan).
Thats not a bush league move, that is a b<<tch move
Marlins Fan said 10/25, 01:08 AM
This kinda turned into a "did he or didn't he" debate, and unfortunately that's not a question we can answer. Like you, I honestly don't know if Suh said anything or not.
My basis for this debate was operating under the premise that there was truth to what McClure said. Under that assumption, I stand by my belief that mocking an injured opponent in an athletic competition shows a lack of sportsmanship.
I remember a softball game where a girl hit a HR and injured herself running the bases. A couple of the opposing players picked her up can carried her around the bases. This was one of those rare moments where sports transcended mere athletic competition and showed us something about the decency of life.
Maybe I'm just getting old. Maybe it's because I recently had my first kid and now there's another on the way.
Whatever the reason, I'm finding myself less attracted to the dark side of sports, and more so to the feel-good stories.
That's why I liked Josh Hamilton's book. That's why I would buy my son a Tebow jersey if he wanted one, even though I am a die-hard Cowboys fan.
Suh is straddling the line between intense and distasteful.
Sabih said 10/25, 04:09 PM
The premise you have is extremely questionable. There is no evidence. The Falcon's team already lied about the incident (White's accusation of Avril kicking Ryan's feet). McClure is so far away from Suh that it is hard to imagine that McClure heard anything.
I do not understand what the softball game has to do with anything, this is a different sport. Football glorified violence more than any other sport in North America outside of combat sports (mma, boxing)
And defensive players are expected to be nasty. Si's poll of nicest players in NFL only 3 of top 15 are defensive players (Polamalu, Nnamdi and Dawkins).
In a similar poll, 10 of the 15 nastiest players are on defense. And 3 more are on the OL. (Ward and Jerome Harrisson are the only 2 outside) Suh ranks #3 on the list. The 2 ahead are Harrisson and Lewis
My point is that you cannot expect a player to be nice and effective especially someone who plays Suh's position. You are expected to be violent, that's what coaches want and thats what fans want.
I would rather have a Suh or a Harrisson on my team than some "nice guy".
As the saying goes, nice guys finish last.
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