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  • 11/07/2011, 04:24AM ET

The Raiders aren't winning the division

Rudedog: Believe The Hype (370-317-81) vs DJRoxalot (1085-669-126)
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So so so. It appears, by reading the comments, this is an arguable topic. So let's do this.

I'll pick the San Diego Chargers

While the Chargers have looked awful, they've looked great at the same time. Their 4 losses this year have come to the Pats, Jets, Packers, and a prime-time rivalry game they had in the bag against KC.

They also have a pretty easy schedule coming home. They face Oakland twice and Palmer isn't helping them at all right now. They also have Denver at home and go to Jacksonville. They have a couple more games, but all their games are winnable.

The Raiders are looking pretty awful. Carson Palmer (surprise, surprise) has thrown 6 INTs in 6 quarters played with the Raiders. And don't tell me "he hasn't had time with his receivers." He had a full off-season in Cincy last year and was an INT machine. We all saw this coming, it's just time for you to accept the fact.

The Chiefs can't figure out what they want to do. They were in the Suck For Luck sweepstakes early and then decided they wanted in the AFC West race. Now, they're back into Suck For Luck mode. I'll talk more about them and Denver next argument

BRING THE PAIN


I am going to bring up what you did after the first couple Minnesota games this season when people were bashing Donovan McNabb: A bit premature aren't, we? You are rushing to judgement after 2 games in a Raiders uni for Mister Palmer?

Palmer threw for over 300 yards (9.5ypa) yesterday with 3 TD's in his first start. And that is huge after the game against KC. It wasn't all bad. And Palmer didn't allow 298 rushing yards.

Having a full season last year with Cinci's receivers translates to Oakland's WR's how? It doesn't, not at all. Nice try, Rude. I know you are capable of better statements and arguments.

I think it comes down to SD and Oakland. Most likely the 2 games between the 2 teams will decide the West winner. I say the Raiders will win the West, despite the last 2 games.

Oakland's remaining schedule includes teams that are a combined 33-30, but just 3 games against teams over .500 (GB, Detroit and Chicago). The 33-30 record is a little skewed because of GB's 8-0 record.

SD's remaining schedule includes teams with a combined record of 34-29, but face 4 teams that are over .500 (Baltimore, Detroit, Buffalo, and Chicago).


You think the Raiders have good WRs? Yeah, if you're running go routes all day.

Right now, the Raiders have two games against the Chargers left and a game against the Chiefs. I fully expect the Chargers to win Sunday as Palmer, according to you, isn't acclimated to the team.

The problem is, DJ, that Carson Palmer isn't going to get better. He's shown us nothing now that he's improved from last year and I have no reason to believe he's going to get better. He's an overrated QB, plain and simple. He doesn't have good WRs like Ochocino or Housh in his prime to make plays for him.

The thing that worked with Jason Campbell was he didn't turn the ball over and was a game manager. That is the exact opposite of Palmer. For better or worse, he takes chances. And more often than not, it's for not. The Raiders made a bad move by trading for him.

The Chargers have playmakers and have shown they can win big games. The Raiders haven't done that with Palmer. Losing to the Tebow-led Broncos? Really?

Chargers > Raiders


Oakland playmakers disagree with you.

Heyward-Bey is starting to emerge as a good WR (27 catches, 16ypc) for the Raiders

Moore is playing well for an unknown (16ypc) player. Palmer completed 4 passes to him for 61 yards against Denver.

Oh, Palmer connected with Ford 5 times for 105 yards, including a 34 yarder.

They also brought in a player very familiar with CP, TJ Houshmandzadeh. Not saying TJ is in his prime, but he will help CP as they get back into a rhthm with each other. He did come up with a 28 yard catch on Sunday.

And Palmer found an underrated player in the Raiders offense, FB Marcel Reece. Diehard Raider fans know this guy makes plays when given a chance. He had 3 catches for 51 yards, including a 40 yard TD.

2 games is enough to write off the trade and make judgements? What happened when people were criticizing McNabb after 2 games? You were in a tizzy and beside yourself, defending him as not having enough time. Notice you totally disregard that when it's your team.

"Losing to the Tebow-led Broncos? Really?"

Rivalry games. You throw the records and such out the window.

MTC.


I lost power for most of the last 24 hours, so this is going to be rushed.

I'm laughing that you call Oakland's WRs playmakers. DJ, you're in denial. DHB and Louis Murphy are not play makers by any stretch of the imagination. Calling them good is probably giving them too much credit.

You torched a Broncos pass defense that ranks 23rd in the league. Bravo, DJ. Bravo. What do you think is going to happen when Palmer faces the 2nd best pass defense this week? It won't be pretty, I can tell you that.

In the end, you're an unreasonable Raiders fan. We are have a little bit of homer in them, but yours is pretty ridiculous. Just accept the fact that the Raiders screwed up by trading for Palmer and that it won't help yo guys, no matter how you spin it.


When did I mention Louis Murphy? He has been hurt a lot this season and has only 1 catch on the season. He has missed more games than he has played in.

Calling Heyward-Bey good is a stretch? 27 catches, 434 yards, 16ypc, 62ypg, 1 TD, 6 plays of 20+ yards, 103 YAC and a team leading 18 1st Downs. It has taken a few years but he is on pace for a career year.

The Broncos were 19th against the pass heading into the game with the Raiders. Not great, not god awful. Thy were a little below average.

And still no mention on McNabb. I know, because you can't counter it. If you did, you would be a huge hypocrite.

The SD defense is awful, 27th in ppg. They are 4th against the pass, but they have been thrown against just 223 times,2nd fewest in the NFL. They alolow QB's to c omplete 64.1% of their passes, 27th, 7.3ypa, 17th. And they are 18th against the run. Not to mention 4.5ypc, 21st.

This year it's wide open in the AFC West and I think the Raiders will win it. This is a different Raiders team than the past 6-7 years. They have confidence and it's not as unrealistic as you make it seem. Once Palmer settles in, the Raiders will be just fine and win

November 7, 2011  04:24 AM ET

Just figured you'd want to argue this and I didn't want to forget to put up an argument

November 7, 2011  04:24 AM ET

And I want to get the general consensus of the commenters

November 7, 2011  04:26 AM ET

IMO, the Raiders are done and that the Broncos will win the division because it's Tebow-Time!

November 7, 2011  04:32 AM ET

Oh come on, dude. Really? After the Raiders lose you put this up? I'll argue this if DJ doesn't want to.

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November 7, 2011  06:36 AM ET

From where Im sitting it doesnt look like anyone is wanting to win the division. Hell, Denver still has a shot.

November 7, 2011  09:37 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

From where Im sitting it doesnt look like anyone is wanting to win the division. Hell, Denver still has a shot.

This!

November 7, 2011  10:02 AM ET

Not only are the Raiders not winning the division, they are finishing last in the division.

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November 7, 2011  11:03 AM ET

NON-ARGUMENT TD ALA MODE!!!

November 7, 2011  11:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

And I want to get the general consensus of the commenters

Hahahaha this is perfect

November 7, 2011  11:07 AM ET
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Plus, I just argued it last week. But Rude is part of the 13 yo girls club.

And your part of the club of 50 year old guys who spends every day on FN all day

November 7, 2011  11:13 AM ET

Yes, and in other news, Elvis is dead. Talk about stating the obvious.

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November 7, 2011  11:26 AM ET
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Yes, and in other news, Elvis is dead. Talk about stating the obvious.

What happened to your ears?

November 7, 2011  11:26 AM ET
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Wrong.

Who didn't see that one coming?

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November 7, 2011  11:51 AM ET

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