- 11/07/2011, 09:58AM ET
CuntryBlumpkin said 11/07, 09:58 AM
Aside from Oakland sending away a first round pick and a probable second round pick for 2013 when Oakland was already drained of draft picks, now they don't have a pick until the 5th round. This win now trade where they aren't winning now will set the Raiders back for years.
But the topic of this TD is the title. Yes, Carson Palmer sucks. He might get a little bit better, but when he reaches his peak this season, he is still going to suck.
Carson Palmer has played 6 quarters of football for the Raiders. He has thrown 6 interceptions for the Raiders. Not to mention the Broncos defense dropped two other interceptions
I'm sure he'll settle down somewhat and not average an interception per quarter the rest of the season, but last season he was an interception machine, and I don't see that changing in Oakland.
He hasn't had a great season since 2006. He hasn't had a good season since 2009. He's immobile, he doesn't have good receivers to throw to, and he's washed up.
As of this moment, he is arguably the worst starting quarterback in the NFL.
DJRoxalot said 11/07, 11:18 AM
A birthday Defend Yourself TD? For me? And you were saying you were waiting for the Defend Yourself TD in your FM (which wasn't coming btw).
Carson has been with the Raiders for less than 3 weeks. These first 3-4 games will act as his impromptu preseason training since he hadn't played before getting to Oakland. He hasn't had time to develop any kind of chemistry with players or timing with the WR's and TE's.
Game 1: 8 of 21 for 116 yards, 5.5ypa, 0 TD's, 3 INT's with a 17.3 PR
Game 2, his 1st start: 19 of 35 for 332 yards, 9.5ypa, 3 TD's, 3 INT's with a 79 PR
He played horrible against KC, but he was acquired on Tuesday before the Chiefs game. He never should have played.
He played a much better game against Denver. Without TE Kevin Boss and D-Mac. He played well, despite missing some key offensive talent. Sure, he threw some more INT's, but last I checked he didnt play defense. Oakland's defense allowed 298 rushing yards and 2 TD's.
I will argue which QB's are worse than him in the next couple arguments.
Palmer is NOT the worst starting QB in the NFL.
CuntryBlumpkin said 11/07, 06:08 PM
It's going to take him 3-4 weeks to improve? Hate to tell you, but he's gonna have to speed up the process and revert back to 2006 form if the Raiders are gonna make the playoffs. I don't know why you expect him to make such a drastic improvement.
He's already proving to be what we know he is, and that's an immobile interception machine with no good receivers to throw the ball to.
He's been on the downswing for a few years now, nothing should lead you to believe he is suddenly gonna be a good QB in the future.
He didn't have a good game against Denver. He threw three interceptions for cryin out loud. Two of those were when Oakland had the lead, the second resulted in a huge swing in momentum. He racked up yards because he was throwing every down in the fourth quarter.
He's an aging QB who hasn't been good in a while, and the result of the trade is not having a draft pick until the 5th round. Carson Palmer will set the Raiders back for years.
Palmer might not be the worst starting QB, but he's definitely in the discussion, and AS OF THIS MOMENT, he has a damned good case to be made.
DJRoxalot said 11/07, 07:36 PM
He has played in 6 quarters of football and has been sacked just 2 times. He is smart enough to throw the ball away if he feels pressure from the defense.
He played a much better game against Denver. 332 yards and 9.5ypa with 3 TD's is evidence of that.
6 INT's is easy to explain. He has not been able to get his timing down with the receivers in his limited PT in Oakland. 2 more games and he should be just fine.
It was tied at 24 going into the 4th. He had a pretty good game going already (13 of 23 for 234 yards with 3 TD's).
Blaine Gabbert. He has completed 45.7% of his passes for 130ypg, 5.2ypa, just 5 TD's, 4 INT's, 19 sacks.
Tarvaris Jackson. He is completing 60.4% of his passes for 222ypg, 6.9ypa, 6 TD's, 9 INT's and has been sacked 21 times (4th most in the NFL.)
John Beck. Rex Grossman was benched in favor of him and he has been just as bad. He has completed 60.6% of his passes for 215ypg, 6.5ypa, 2 TD's, 4 INT's and 15 sacks.
Curtis Painter. He has completed 53.3% of his passes for 174ypg, 6.3ypa, 5 TD's, and 5 INT's.
4 QB's that are all worse than Palmer.
MTC on differences between these QB's and Palmer.
CuntryBlumpkin said 11/08, 09:58 AM
You are trying to argue that Carson Palmer isn't the worst QB in the league, that's not the topic. The topic is Carson Palmer sucks, and the fact that you are putting him in the discussion with the worst QBs in the league kinda proves the point. He sucks, and he's in the discussion as one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL.
I'd take Gabbert and Painter over palmer anyday. They are young and have potential, and despite being wet behind the ears, they have less interceptions than Palmer in more games played. And NONE of the QBs you mentioned have an interception rate like Carson Palmer.
Why are you mentioning sacks? The o-line has a lot to do with that.
The bottom line is Carson Palmer hasn't been good for years. He was an interception machine last season, and he's keeping that label this year, and nothing points to him cutting down on the interceptions.
You traded away your future for a quarterback that is past his prime, and sucks.
Yeah, he had a decent game going into the 4th, even though he had two interceptions, but he sucked in the 4th.
Carson Palmer sucks.
DJRoxalot said 11/08, 10:53 AM
Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore disagree with you. Heyward-Bey is starting to emerge as a good WR (27 catches, 16ypc) and Moore is playing well for an unknown (16ypc). Palmer connected with Ford 5 times for 105 yards against Denver.
CP, 48.4%, 217ypg, 8.0ypa, 3 TD's, 6 INT's.
Gabbert, 45.7% of his passes for 130ypg, 5.2ypa, just 5 TD's, 4 INT's.
Gabbert has a worse completion %, ypg, ypa (despite throwing a 74 yarder) and has just 2 more TD's, despite playing in 5 more games.
Painter? 53.3%, 174ypg, 6.3ypa, 5 TD's, 5 INT's.
Painter has a slightly better %, worse ypg, ypa and has just 2 more TD's in 5 more games.
Beck has a higher %, fewer ypg, ypa, fewer TD's in 2 more games.
There were more QB's I could have included, kept it to 4.
Why am I mentioning sacks? You mentioned he was immobile. And I mentioned a bunch of guys who might be even more immobile than Palmer.
Nothing points to him cutting down on INT's? You really are a Broncos homer. Timing is crucial between a QB and his WR's. And you mentioned he got most of his yards in the 4th quarter. That is why I was pointing it out.
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