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DJRoxalot said 11/07, 11:18 AM
A birthday Defend Yourself TD? For me? And you were saying you were waiting for the Defend Yourself TD in your FM (which wasn't coming btw).

Carson has been with the Raiders for less than 3 weeks. These first 3-4 games will act as his impromptu preseason training since he hadn't played before getting to Oakland. He hasn't had time to develop any kind of chemistry with players or timing with the WR's and TE's.

Game 1: 8 of 21 for 116 yards, 5.5ypa, 0 TD's, 3 INT's with a 17.3 PR

Game 2, his 1st start: 19 of 35 for 332 yards, 9.5ypa, 3 TD's, 3 INT's with a 79 PR

He played horrible against KC, but he was acquired on Tuesday before the Chiefs game. He never should have played.

He played a much better game against Denver. Without TE Kevin Boss and D-Mac. He played well, despite missing some key offensive talent. Sure, he threw some more INT's, but last I checked he didnt play defense. Oakland's defense allowed 298 rushing yards and 2 TD's.

I will argue which QB's are worse than him in the next couple arguments.

Palmer is NOT the worst starting QB in the NFL.

DJRoxalot said 11/07, 07:36 PM
He has played in 6 quarters of football and has been sacked just 2 times. He is smart enough to throw the ball away if he feels pressure from the defense.

He played a much better game against Denver. 332 yards and 9.5ypa with 3 TD's is evidence of that.

6 INT's is easy to explain. He has not been able to get his timing down with the receivers in his limited PT in Oakland. 2 more games and he should be just fine.

It was tied at 24 going into the 4th. He had a pretty good game going already (13 of 23 for 234 yards with 3 TD's).

Blaine Gabbert. He has completed 45.7% of his passes for 130ypg, 5.2ypa, just 5 TD's, 4 INT's, 19 sacks.

Tarvaris Jackson. He is completing 60.4% of his passes for 222ypg, 6.9ypa, 6 TD's, 9 INT's and has been sacked 21 times (4th most in the NFL.)

John Beck. Rex Grossman was benched in favor of him and he has been just as bad. He has completed 60.6% of his passes for 215ypg, 6.5ypa, 2 TD's, 4 INT's and 15 sacks.

Curtis Painter. He has completed 53.3% of his passes for 174ypg, 6.3ypa, 5 TD's, and 5 INT's.

4 QB's that are all worse than Palmer.

MTC on differences between these QB's and Palmer.

DJRoxalot said 11/08, 10:53 AM
Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore disagree with you. Heyward-Bey is starting to emerge as a good WR (27 catches, 16ypc) and Moore is playing well for an unknown (16ypc). Palmer connected with Ford 5 times for 105 yards against Denver.

CP, 48.4%, 217ypg, 8.0ypa, 3 TD's, 6 INT's.

Gabbert, 45.7% of his passes for 130ypg, 5.2ypa, just 5 TD's, 4 INT's.

Gabbert has a worse completion %, ypg, ypa (despite throwing a 74 yarder) and has just 2 more TD's, despite playing in 5 more games.

Painter? 53.3%, 174ypg, 6.3ypa, 5 TD's, 5 INT's.

Painter has a slightly better %, worse ypg, ypa and has just 2 more TD's in 5 more games.

Beck has a higher %, fewer ypg, ypa, fewer TD's in 2 more games.

There were more QB's I could have included, kept it to 4.

Why am I mentioning sacks? You mentioned he was immobile. And I mentioned a bunch of guys who might be even more immobile than Palmer.

Nothing points to him cutting down on INT's? You really are a Broncos homer. Timing is crucial between a QB and his WR's. And you mentioned he got most of his yards in the 4th quarter. That is why I was pointing it out.