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  • 11/08/2011, 05:13PM ET

Whatever.

Confucius. Trout (36-53-11) vs C-C-C (397-169-39)
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PHILIP RIVERS IS HAVING A BAD YEAR.

He's having a bad year, like I said.

In a good year for Rivers, these things don't matter, but this isn't a good year for him.

You really are **** if you think Norv Turner and his scheme isn't hurting Rivers right now. Of course, if you watched any Charger games, instead of talking out of your ****, you'd realize that the extent of What Rivers is able to do with the current personnel and scheme the Chargers have is throw the ball deep or dump it off to the RB.

There's a reason Mike Tolbert is 2nd on the team in receptions, yes you read that right. 5-9" 250 pound converted Full-back Mike Tolbert has 32 catches this year ahead of Antonio Gates, Malcolm Floyd, and he's only 2 behind Vincent Jackson. You don't think that's a serious design flaw in the offense?

Remember when we did a TD a few years ago where I said Rivers would throw 30 TD's and you said he wouldn't? Do you remember why you said he wouldn't?

His receivers aren't getting open, and he has to throw into coverage way too often. And on top of that, the O-line has been shaky this year. He's been sacked 19 times this year. More on that next though.


I'm not exactly sure what it is you are arguing here.

I know you like to blame Norv for everything and credit him for nothing. This was the #1 offense in the NFL a year ago. Turners scheme isn't suddenly "outdated". When things go wrong, the Head Coach and the QB shoulder most of the blame. You refuse to assign ANY to the QB.

OK, he's been sacked 19 times.

So has Drew Brees

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 20 times

Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked 26 times

What your point? Those guys aren't having "bad years". In fact, the Saints are the #1 offense. Green Bay is #4. Pittsburgh is #9.

You claim Rivers has been "hiding" major flaws in the San Diego offense for 'years' because he's 'elite'. So this year he just lost his elitness, or what? I think it's elitism to claim San Diego's offensive success all these years has been solely due to Rivers incredible play in a bad offense, with bad coaching and a bad supporting cast. And that's exactly what you are suggesting.

The #1 overall offense last year had more going for it than just Rivers.

It's the same scheme with the same level of players. Only major difference is Rivers is sucking.


So what? He's not allowed to have an off year?

You bring up those other QB's, but you leave out one key aspect. They all have a reliable, go-to possesion receiver, or two and a great Head coach

Aaron Rodgers has Mike McCarthy, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver.
Drew Brees has Sean Peyton, Lance Moore, Darren Sproles, and Marques Colston
Ben Roethlisberger has Mike Tomlin and Hines Ward

Who has Rivers had this year?

Vincent Jackson has been good, but he's a big play receiver. If he's not going deep, he's pretty much useless. Same With Malcolm Floyd. Patrick Crayton is never even on the field.

His security blanket is usually Antonio Gates, but he hasn't been even close to healthy all year.

This TD is about you saying I'm just making excuses for why Rivers is struggling. I'm not. I've been saying these things for years, it's not like I just made it up. And to answer your question, yes, it is because Philip Rivers has somehow lost his "eliteness" this year. He's not playing well, but I'm just saying it's not all his fault.

He's not playing in a QB friendly system, it's been proven that good QB's can put up bad numbers in this system.


Now I'm really confused.

On one hand you make excuses for him then on the other hand you admit Rivers isn't performing well, himself.

If you are arguing both sides, what am I supposed to interject here?

It seems to me that you are having in internal struggle. For years you have been under the (wrong) impression that Rivers is super human, able to perform at a high level even with sub par coaching and talent around him. That was NEVER the case. But you have insisted for years that it was.

Now that he is struggling, you can't use the excuses. Sorry, but it is YOU who has claimed these issues were there all along and Rivers is so good that he performed in spite of them.

Either you were wrong, or Rivers is no longer great.

Regardless of what one thinks about Turner as a HC. He is undeniably one of the finest offensive minds of this generation. He has the bona fides to prove it well beyond Philip Rivers. Turner coached that offense to #1 just a year ago.

To claim "the system isn't QB friendly" is ridiculous. Turners scheme is extremely QB friendly. It made a HoFer out of Troy Aikman who wasn't nearly as physically gifted as Rivers.


Forfeited Turn


See, even you were so confused you didn't know what to say.

Since you are clearly having a very tough time emotionally coming to terms with the realization that Rivers is indeed just a mortal man, let me offer you a theory that should help you cope.

Rivers (along with CJ2K and Tiger Woods) was actually abducted by aliens. In his place was put a 3 year old from a galaxy far far away. After tiring of dominating mere earthlings at their primitive sport, and being worshiped by teenage boys, he went home, leaving the real Philip Rivers in his place...dazed and confused. What you are seeing isn't the same Rivers you fell in love with, but rather the ACTUAL Philip Rivers. (Bill Belichick is doing everything possible to keep his alien in place as we speak)

It's time to grow up and face the facts Confucius. Philip Rivers simply isn't the greatest football player to ever strap on a helmet and as soon as the talent around diminished even slightly, he proved just how wrong you were about his ability to overcome every obstacle.

They say it's better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all. Even if it was an unrequited love...

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November 8, 2011  05:28 PM ET
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Norv's scheme never hurt Rivers like this before as far as the turnovers are concerned.

That's why it's a bad year.

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November 8, 2011  05:30 PM ET
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So what's the argument?

That the scheme and players around Rivers aren't helping him as much as they could/should.

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November 8, 2011  05:34 PM ET
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So are you saying that PR deserves no blame?

He deserves blame, because elite QB's cover up those flaws (like he's been doing for year).

These aren't new things I'm talking about. I've been pointing these things out for years, and everyone thought I was just being a dumb Rivers homer. Now I'm hoping people start to see all the flaws that this team has, and give Rivers a fair amount of blame.

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November 8, 2011  06:07 PM ET

This is going to be fun.

November 8, 2011  06:40 PM ET

So you are saying, in the past when Rivers had great numbers, it was more due to LT and the receivers (and of course the scheme) than it was Rivers being a good QB?

November 8, 2011  07:05 PM ET

It's been way too long since the last Philip Rivers TD.

November 8, 2011  09:30 PM ET
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It's been way too long since the last Philip Rivers TD.

I guess that means we're due for an Arnie TD soon....

November 8, 2011  09:31 PM ET
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I guess that means we're due for an Arnie TD soon....

I could break out a Chipper TD for old time sake.

November 8, 2011  09:34 PM ET

Phillip Rivers' security blanket of Antonio Gates SUCKS. He's fat and has a constant toe injury. Trade him while you still can.

November 8, 2011  11:21 PM ET

I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to be arguing here. That's he's NOT having a bad year?

November 8, 2011  11:23 PM ET
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Should be a shootout Thursday night.

Yeah. Rivers throwing TDs to his receivers and Palmer throwing TDs to the Chargers secondary

November 8, 2011  11:37 PM ET
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I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to be arguing here. That's he's NOT having a bad year?

Remember when we did a TD a few years ago where I said Rivers would throw 30 TD's and you said he wouldn't? Do you remember why you said he wouldn't?

I have a gut feeling that you lit his **** in a previous TD a few years ago.

November 8, 2011  11:40 PM ET
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I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to be arguing here. That's he's NOT having a bad year?

That would be a bit of a challenge.

 
November 8, 2011  11:45 PM ET
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Remember when we did a TD a few years ago where I said Rivers would throw 30 TD's and you said he wouldn't? Do you remember why you said he wouldn't?I have a gut feeling that you lit his **** in a previous TD a few years ago.

Lol, I lit his **** in several TD's but I have no idea what he wants me to argue here.

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