- 11/10/2011, 12:06AM ET
sportsfan809 said 11/10, 12:06 AM
What a horrible way to end a 61-year legacy. JoePa shouldn't even have been brought into the "Sandusky-Scandal". He had absolutely nothing to do it.
In 2002, he did what he thought was right. He brought the incident to the President. Could he have done more? Of course. Did he not do the right thing? NO.
This incident had nothing to do with Joe Paterno or football, so why taint a legacy and a football team, considering Sandusky was retired for the past 10+ years.
If you ask me, the media blew it out of proportion. It seems like the media has been waiting oh-so-very-long to bust on Joe Paterno, and they finally found the chance to use him as a scapegoat.
Also, the media is ruining the school as a whole. The NY Times has said, any diploma received from Penn State/any diploma that will be received from Penn State has no value whatsoever.
Joe Paterno has done nothing but good toward Penn State and this is how they repay him? In my eyes, the media is the enemy.
If anyone disagrees, feel free to post an arguement.
Lex-LOU-thor said 11/10, 09:50 AM
First of all - you need to separate your argument into two things - the legal issues and the school issues. This is a criminal investigation - he was going to be brought into it no matter what because of the reporting structure required by law. There is no grey area in this. His "part" in the reporting process was going to become public no matter what. That's the way it is. Thats the legal system that is in place. You have a right to face your accusers and the reporting mechanism is part of that system.
Secondly - the question then becomes - should JoePa of been treated differently by the school. The answer is yes - But not for the reasons you may suspect. The reporting process was followed - however - details of what was said exactly, to whom and when must be flushed out. The Grand Jury report is a "summerization" of the facts. Who said what to whom in the detail necessary must come out in the court of law to determine guilt, innocence and culpability. That is what needs to happen before termination was done. Since JoePa was part of the process - he should of been placed on administrative leave just like the other administrators. - more to follow.
sportsfan809 said 11/10, 11:14 AM
Btw good luck! And I'm arguing that Joe Pa should NOT have been fired and that the media caused the firings. Also, I might touch on how it shouldn't ruin Penn State as a college.
So let's recap. In 1998, Joe Pa finds out and he tells his superior. 1999, Sandusky retires. Why? Joe Paterno did more than telling his superior, he forced Sandusky to retire. Joe Paterno did what he needed to. The AD swept it under the rug.
Joe Paterno did only good for the university and he get's the boot for doing something he should have, let alone over the telephone.
The media caused all this attention and like I said before, their "guilty-until-proven-innocent" view on everything put pressure on the Board of Trustees to make a move and make a move fast.
Now look what has happened.
Not only did media force a wrong decision, but now complete chaos is breaking out in Penn State.
I'll talk about the college as a whole next arguement.
Lex-LOU-thor said 11/10, 01:08 PM
Kinda hard to debate the issue then since the TD dealt with whether Joe Pa should of been brought into the mix - not whether the university acted appropriately regarding Joe Pa. The administration has really been the main malfeasance - along with the assistance that saw it and didn't try to intervene.
I do believe that the nature of the inquiries into the incident should have resulted in Joe Pa being put on administrative leave. Penn State has acted in an imbalanced manner - Fire Joe Pa - keep the administrators on admin leave and I think the assistant witness is still on the pay role. No consistancy...... There are some of the trustees that have had it out for Joe Pa since early 2000's. So I am not so sure.
As far as the media - in this case - they have reported the facts of the case. And the reactions to the facts of the case. So not sure it is "the media stirring things up"
sportsfan809 said 11/10, 02:18 PM
Honestly, I am just entirely disgusted by this. It makes Penn State look bad as a whole.
1) Joe Paterno has been part of Penn State coaching since he was 23. He was assistant coach for 15 years before finally getting his shot at head coach. He maintained that position for 46 years for one school and one school only: Penn State.
What I am very upset about is how they treat him. His one request was to finish out the season. A measly 3 games: 1 home (Nebraska) and 2 away (Ohio State, Wisconsin) in that order. They couldn't do that for him?! The face of the frachise for 46 years? Really.
2) The media is screwing over Penn State as a whole. Papers and broadcasts in New York are deeming diplomas and degrees from Penn State worthless because of the scandal when, really, the scandal has nothing to do with Penn State education....saftey? Maybe, but education shouldn't come into the mix. I'm looking to go to Penn State for Forensic Psychology 2 years. In my eyes, I don't care.
3) It completely ruins Penn State's chances at recruitment. Any prospects they have...gone. I disagree because the man who committed the crimes is going to go to jail, so they have nothing to worry about
Lex-LOU-thor said 11/10, 02:32 PM
I am an a tOSU fan - big time. I have respected Joe Pa for years. I think that this issue just stinks overall. The administration blew it. Big time. Joe Pa may or may not of been complicit depending on what he knew and when. Some people just can't see the forest because of the trees getting in way (if it comes close to home - just like what his friend is accused of doing). Is that doubtful - yes - but I just don't know what Joe Pa was thinking or knew. I can give him the benefit of the doubt - but not the others.
As for the school - the media stating the issues with the sheepskins is ridiculous. Not even worth repeating. As far as how Joe Pa was handled by the trustees - agree to a point. He should have been temporarily put on administrative leave until the mess is put out on the table. A lot of people says he had to know more - I have no idea.
And as far as recruitment - when the administration screws up this bad - everything gets nailed. Collateral damage is massive. They screwed up that bad. Sorry - it's what happens when someone tries to protect a name - without understanding the full consequences down the road.....
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