- 11/17/2011, 02:28PM ET
BM. said 11/17, 02:28 PM
Time to man up. You've always wanted to do a real TD against me, and here is your chance.
So who is the greatest all-around NHL player to ever play the game?
I'm going with Bobby Orr.
Bobby Orr was the most dominant player in the history of the game. He could do it all. He was more unstoppable than anyone that ever stepped foot on the ice.
He racked up 8 straight Norris Trophies, 3 Harts, 2 Conn Smythes and a Calder. However, most amazing was his 2 Art Ross Trophies.
Yes, I said TWO Art Ross Trophies. What is the significance of this? Oh yeah, he was a defenseman. He is the only defenseman to ever win this award, and he did it TWICE.
Had his career not been cut short by several knee injuries, he would be among the top scorers of all time in the NHL. And let me re-iterate what I said earlier. He was a DEFENSEMAN.
He is also the only player ever to win the Norris Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, Hart Trophy, and Conn Smythe Trophy in one season.
He was amazing. Better than Lemieux and Gretzky.
Man up TD wh0re.
BRING THE PAIN!!!
DJRoxalot said 11/17, 05:39 PM
August 8, 1988. I was 16 year old (going on 17) NFL/NBA fan heading into my sophomore year in HS. This is when the news broke that Wayne Gretzky was headed to Los Angeles via a trade with the Oilers.
It was a huige trade for the Kings and hockey in California. Before Gretzky arrived hockey wasn't as popular as it is now in California. After the trade the NHL added the San Jose Sharks in 1991 and the Anaheim Ducks in 1993.
Gretzky is the most dominant player in hockey history. He holds a lot of records, including 92 goals in a season. A record unlikely to be broken. 50 goals typically is enough to lead the NHL.
He won 4 Stanley Cup championships with the Edmonton Oilers (1984, 1985, 1987, and 1988).
He was the greatest offensive player ever, with a mind boggling 2,857 career points, 894 goals, and 1,963 assists.
Gretzky won 10 Art Ross trophies, 7 consecutively while playing with the Oilers. This is awarded to the player with the most points at the end of the regular season.
9 Hart trophies. Awarded to the player determined to be team MVP.
2 Conn Smythe trophies. Team MVP during playoffs.
BM. said 11/17, 05:57 PM
Gretzky is absolutely NOT the most dominant player in NHL history. He is the best scorer in NHL history (arguably, Lemieux could win that argument), but that's where it stops.
The Great One was one-dimensional. He was an average defender, avoided contact, and was only involved in 4 fights in his ENTIRE career.
Having said that, nobody could score like him. Nobody.
But Orr is EASILY the more complete player, and as the TD reads, we are talking about the best all-around player in the NHL.
Orr's skating was second to none, past or present. He skated circles around the other team. He could skate around the ice with the puck for his entire shift without losing it.
He could fight, and was a physical force on the ice. He was involved in 43 fights in his 657 NHL games, compared to Gretzky being in 4 fights in 1,487 games. Orr also racked up nearly double the penalty minutes that Gretzky had in less than half as many games played.
He also holds the record for highest +/- in a season, with +124. +124 for god sakes!.
Orr was the best, and it's scary to think of what may have happened had his career not been derailed by injuries.
DJRoxalot said 11/17, 09:40 PM
"Gretzky is absolutely NOT the most dominant player in NHL history. He is the best scorer in NHL history (arguably, Lemieux could win that argument), but that's where it stops."
So, you are saying the most dominant player cannot be the best scorer? That makes no sense.
Gretzky was the Michael Jordan/Wilt Chamberlain of the NHL, while Orr was the Bill Russell.
Maybe avoiding contact is what allowed him to play so long as opposed to have a shortened career because he had a lot of injuries because he acted like a neanderthal?
Fights? Are you kidding me?
"Having said that, nobody could score like him. Nobody."
Thanks for admitting that my selection was the far better offensive player.
Orr's career high was 46 goals and he had 270 goals in 12 seasons. He would not have been among the top scorers all time in the NHL.
His 0.41 goals per game ranks 89th.
Gretzky is 1st with 0.60 goals per game, 1st with 1.92 points per game, 1st with 1.32 assists per game.
Gretzky is the best hockey player ever.
BM. said 11/18, 09:57 AM
This TD is proving how many people actually know hockey. There are 10 at this point.
Everyone seems to be misunderstanding this TD. It's about the best all-around player of all time. Meaning a guy that can do everything at a high level. Gretzky was the best scorer of all time. That's a fact. But he was not the best all-around player of all time. He is not even in the discussion as the best all-around player of all time.
He did not play defense. He didn't hit. He didn't fight. He just scored points. That's it. Being an all-around great player means he has to do ALL of those things at a high level. He did only ONE of them at a high level.
Orr played unbelievable defense. He was a physical presence. He was a good fighter. He did things that no other NHL player could dream of doing.
DJ, you haven't said one word about any other facet of Gretzky's game besides offense. A guy that is solely a scorer is not a good all-around player. What aren't you understanding?
You bring up stats at the end (shockingly). You fail to realize that Orr was a DEFENSEMAN. They aren't supposed to score as much as offensive players. That's what makes Orr so incredible.
DJRoxalot said 11/18, 12:44 PM
Gretzky's offense was soooo good it more than makes up for his defensive shortcomings. He was that damn good. 92 goals in a season, 87 goals, 73. You realize that 50-55 goals leads the NHL, right? We are talking the Jordan of the NHL.
And you admit he was average on defense. Not a scrub, not below average. But not a liability.
And fights? This is what makes you well rounded? Come on, MMT/BM/Devil/multiple name user.
His trade to LA opened the door for hockey to become very popular in California. So he did far more for the sport since he caused the NHL to expand and add more teams in California that increase the popularity of the sport. Kind of like Jordan did for the NBA? The great ones increase the interest in their sport.
Stick a sock in the stats comment, have used them sparingly in this TD.
So was this the dreaded Easy win attempt? Knowing my hockey knowledge was less than say, Yoda, Pats Fan, TD Bubba? Challenging me to a "real TD" knowing my sports are NFL, NCAA and NBA? You don't follow college football. This is the equivalent of me challenging you to an NCAA football TD.
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