- 11/17/2011, 11:32PM ET
HOBBES said 11/17, 11:32 PM
Is sending former Packer DE Johnny Jolly to prison the right move?
Jolly is being sent to prison for violating his parole conditions by continuing to use of codeine. The judge had given Jolly the opportunity to stay clean and avoid prison, but Jolly continued his drug abuse and was sentenced to 6 years imprisonment.
This whole question comes down to whether jail time is an effective and efficient way to deal with drug abusers.
Prison is for bad guys.
The Jerry Sunduskys, the Bernie Madoffs, the murderers, rapists, smugglers and pimps.
Prison is for people who have committed malicious and violent crimes against other people. Jolly has done nothing of the sort. He isnt a criminal, he's an addict.
Addiction is a DISEASE.
Your brain literally chemically rewired to require the substance, and you become physically dependent.
This isnt a habit, like biting your nails, that's easily kicked. His body needed to continue using drugs and the best way to deal with the problem that he creates is to send him an environment where he can be helped.
Prison is not that place.
DJRoxalot said 11/18, 06:38 AM
Here is the full story:
He basically he violated the terms of his probation. And it wasn't his first time. He was caught in April as well. But spared prison UNLESS he stumbled again. And he did.
Don't freak out over the 6 year term. He will never serve the full amount. He will be out in a year or 2 with good behavior.
"Prison is for people who have committed malicious and violent crimes against other people."
If that were true, why is Madoff in jail? He is about the most non violent person I could imagine.
Prison is for people that violate the law and deserve to go there.
"Addiction is a DISEASE."
True, but he can be rehabilitated. People like Sandusky and this Syracuse assistant cannot.
If Jolly goes in with the right mindset and does his time (rather than letting his time do him) he can emerge and be a prodcutive member of scoiety.
HOBBES said 11/18, 06:24 PM
I didnt say that the crime had to be BOTH malicious and violent. Stealing billions of dollars and wiping out peoples financial lives is plenty for life imprisonment, at least in my book.
My point is this. Bernie Madoff ruined thousands of peoples lives.
Who has Jolly stole from?
Which livelihood has Jolly destroyed?
Which bank did he hold up?
The only person that Jolly has hurt is himself.
Jolly has a credible, scientifically defined, and very treatable disease. Drugs like codeine are extremely addictive and alter your brain chemistry, to where you become completely physically dependent on the substance.
The point is that Jolly is sick, and he needs help, not prison time.
Do you know how much it costs to provide for and take care of a prisoner? A hell of a lot more than a year or two of drug counseling. Not sending him to jail makes both ethical and financial sense.
"True, but he can be rehabilitated."
Exactly, but not in prison. He has a FAR greater chance of fully recovering in drug counseling than in prison.
Prison is for bad guys, and Jolly isnt one.
DJRoxalot said 11/19, 05:57 AM
Thanks for a different topic and something that is a change. I will use very few, if any stats in this TD. The Peanut Gallery should be refreshingly surprised, even though i could find some stats if I looked hard enough.
"The arrest put Jolly in jeopardy of receiving prison time because in April he had pleaded guilty to a codeine possession charge in a deal that wiped out an earlier charge and spared him from prison unless he stumbled again."
Excerpy from the USA Today article.
He was give chances. He failed to comply.
"Exactly, but not in prison."
Say whaaaaat? says Stewie.
I hate to sound patronizing, Hobbes, but prison does in fact have drug counseling and rehab programs.
$47,000 per year to house an inmate in California, $313 of that is on substance abuse programs.
Good people make bad decisions. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but he needs to learn from his mistakes.
Prison is for people who break the law, including violating the terms of their parole.
HOBBES said 11/20, 12:30 AM
Damn, nice job DJ.
In order to receive the proper treatment that Jolly and people like him need, prison sentencing needs to decrease.
Studies show that jail significantly increases a criminals probability of committing another offense.
For drug abusers, why not fine them and put them in counseling? It is a much more effective and efficient way of dealing with the drug problem.
Sure, put the dealers and the smugglers in jail, but the users and victims don't deserve such hard sentences.
This looks pretty wrapped up, so I'm not going to devote that much energy on it.
Good TD Dj.
DJRoxalot said 11/21, 09:35 AM
"In order to receive the proper treatment that Jolly and people like him need, prison sentencing needs to decrease."
That is why he won't serve anything close to 72 months in prison. If he serves his time and doesn't let the cage turn him into an animal, he will get out much ealier than the term of his sentence.
Jolly had a clear knowledge iof what he needed to do. And he failed. It may seem harsh, but it is what it is.
Good TD and welcome back to the asylum that is FN.
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