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- 11/18/2011, 02:00AM ET
Note to the Broncos: If it's not broke, don't fix it
J-Business said 11/18, 02:00 AM
By conventional NFL wisdom, the Broncos should not be winning. They're running a 1940's offense.
The QB isn't look to pass much down the field.
He lacks the "fundamentals" to be considered a big time QB
But the bottom line is.
The Broncos are winning
And they're doing it against decent teams.
To heck with the numbers, the percentages, the yards per game.
For some reason or another, Tim Tebow has led the Denver Broncos to 5-5 record and they are 4-1 with him as the starting quarterback.
A lot of people are pointing at the offensive stats and at Tebow's numbers and saying they can't win like this.
If there's one thing we've seen in the NFL is that the only thing that counts is the number in the win column.
Brady has won without a big time receiver
Manning has won without a running back
Baltimore has won without a real offense
And so on and so on
Point being, Tim Tebow is winning with the Broncos and he deserves to be their starting quarterback
Rudedog: Thankful said 11/18, 03:28 AM
It's hard to explain what's going on in Denver right now. I've certainly tried to figure it out myself and I think I've found a pretty reasonable explanation.
If you go back just 3 years ago, the Wildcat was running rampant through the league. Ronnie Brown was seen as an elite back simply because he could run the Wildcat. He even made the Pro Bowl that year. It wasn't some type of unstoppable offense, it was simply an offense that no one had seen before and couldn't figure out how to stop it that season.
Eventually, the phase ended and teams completely shut down the Wildcat. It's now non-existent and teams don't even bother with it anymore.
Fast forward to this year. Tim Tebow isn't running an offense we haven't seen before. He's running an offense that is primarily a college offense and one that's not seen in the pros. Tebow isn't putting mind-boggling numbers, but he's doing things that need to be done to win games.
In the end, however, this offense will be figured out and teams will stop him. He might make it a while longer, but Tebow doesn't need to remain the starter after this year at the longest
J-Business said 11/18, 11:04 AM
I never said that Tebow was the quarterback of the future nor did I make any mention of what the Broncos should be doing next year
What I am saying is that Tebow deserves to be the Broncos starting QB for this season
Regardless of the numbers that Tebow's putting up, the most important number is in the wins column
It seems as if you agree with my argument "Tebow isn't putting mind-boggling numbers, but he's doing things that need to be done to win games"
Because that's essentially my main point. Regardless of what kind of "numbers" Denver is putting up, Tebow has to remain the starting QB and Denver shouldn't even think about putting Kyle Orton or Brady Quinn behind center
The Broncos are now 1/2 a game out of first place and have a very real chance at winning the AFC West and making the playoffs
Bottom line is the Broncos are responding to Tebow as a leader and stats or not they're winning.
He deserves to start for the rest of the season
Rudedog: Thankful said 11/19, 05:05 PM
The Jets held Tebow in check for the majority of the game. The one mistake they made was dropping into a more pass-prevent defense on the final drive and lost. They gave Tebow room to run.
From now on, I fully expect opposing defenses to mirror the Jets approach and anyone with a better offense than the Jets (which is most the league) will beat them. The Jets have laid the groundwork for how to stop Tebow.
I don't agree with your argument. I went off your last statement and I disagreed with it. Tebow's offense is very much like the Wildcat. It took a while for people to figure it out because it was different, but it eventually became non-existent. Tebow's offense has already been figured out and now it's going to get worse.
If he isn't the QB of the future, then why would you continue playing him? Hell, why not give Brady Quinn a chance? He's a better passer at the least. Tebow just isn't going to be the guy long-term in Denver and he probably won't even be the guy for the short-time either. He had a good run, but this is good as your going to get with Tebow as your starting QB.
Sorry Denver fans.
J-Business said 11/20, 01:25 AM
Your still jumping around the FACT that Tebow is winning.
Tebow did well in the few games he played last year and he's doing better this year. If his game is so easy to figure out, teams would have done it 3 games ago.
Quite honestly, his intangibles are what is allowing him to lead his team to victory and you can't measure that.
Tebow has won 3 straight games against 3 quality opponents
2 of them were in the division and 1 is a serious playoff contender
The fact that you would even suggest giving Brady Quinn a chance is ridiculous.
The Broncos are a half a game out of first place to a team they recently beat and you want to change the QB?
And for Brady Quinn?
Good coaches know how to maximize the strengths of their players and this is what Fox is doing with Tebow.
Additionally, the one point you're not pointing at is that Tebow isn't making mistakes during the game.
It doesn't matter if a QB throws for 400 yds in a game, if he throws 3 ints, and 2 in the red zone, what's the point?
Tebow is winning and there's no more important number right now than 4 wins and 1 loss
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The Jets scored six points on offense. That will usually earn you an L regardless of what the opposing QB does. Credit where credit is due. Either the Jets offense is even worse than Denver's or the Denver defense deserves some respect and headlines. Tim Tebow didn't run a big drive to win this game, he ran a big drive to keep from being the one that lost it.
Tebow's last minute drive made for good drama, but answer me this. Should he really have needed heroics to put this game away? Color me unimpressed.
IndyParadox
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What decent teams have they been playing? Jets? not a chance....Lions? No, AND the Broncos still lost big anyway...Chiefs? Raiders? Dolphins? No, no, and hell no.....Broncos have one of the easiest schedules this season and STILL are only 5-5...
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yeah, when the D outscores the offense, the QB should NOT be getting the credit
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Right....
So teams will figure it out eventually, so even though they are 4-1 with him at this point, they should bench him to start Kyle Orton whos 3-13 in his last 16 starts in Denver? Really?
Daniel9752
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jests are 5-5 with losses against BAD teams....Lions beat the Broncos....and Raiders are 5-4....they can't do any better than beating opponents that hover around .500
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Im sure that's what all teams worry about... "Gee don't let us finish second to a team with a qb with a below average passer rating....the horror!"
Daniel9752
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at this point, the determining factor IS the Broncos....you judge other teams based on how they perform against the broncos....if the broncos win, the team they beat SUCKS really bad....if the broncos lose, the team they lost to might be good, might be mediocre, might be pretty bad too....
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And the whole "who have they beat" thing. People no one is claiming Tebow and the Broncos are going to the Super Bowl this year. They are having a nice winning streak with a guy that no one said could win in the NFL. It's a nice story. Nothing more.
Daniel9752
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it would be like getting beat up by a girl in middle school when you're a HS senior.......
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the problem is, HE isn't winning....this is similar to the Ravens and Giants SB wins....they have a D that is effective enough to prevent a bad QB from sinking the whole ship
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The score lines tell it all. Four of the five games Denver has played with Tebow, they put up less than twenty points. Four of the five games they played before Tebow, they put up more than twenty points. The QBs job is to score points, right? If anything has improved, it's been the defense.
Something has changed in Denver, though, the W-L records don't lie. Maybe Tebow's intangibles are part of it, who knows. What seems clear from the numbers is that they're winning in spite of what he's doing on the field, not because of it.
IndyParadox
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How times had that happened to you..?
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Shouldn't the Broncs D get some credit here?
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I might be able to answer you question if you try it in English with ALL of the words you need....
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EXACTLY.....Broncos D wins the game and Teblow gets the credit...that is offensive...
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