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(KMac) Lame Sauce said 11/21, 07:50 PM
In his top 10 receivers of all time Peter King had Jerry Rice at #2 behind Don Hutson.

I'm sorry but there's no way that he's right.

Yes, it is true that Jerry Rice played A LOT longer than Don Hutson and in an era with some great QB's. In fact, he had two of the top 10 QB's in history throwing to him. BUT it was also an era with great, physical cornerbacks such as Deion Sanders, Albert Lewis, and Rod Woodson. Even matched against some of these greats, Jerry Rice still proved that he was the best in the business.

Back in Don Hutson's playing days (1935-1945), most of the talent was oversea's fighting in World War 2. I'm not saying that he's a bad person for not joining the military, as I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason that he didn't.

I'll save stats for my next argument, but is there even anyone who disagrees with this?

(KMac) Lame Sauce said 11/21, 11:18 PM
I'm sorry but if Jerry Rice was the only receiver Montana and Young ever threw the ball to, then his stats would be twice what they already are.

Let's look at the build of the 1942 Green Bay Packers. I think that can give us an idea of how that team went about business.

They had two Wide Receivers, back then they were called "Right/Left End". Everybody else on that team was a Tailback/Halfback. Heck their leading passers were TB/HB. This was an era where everybody ran the ball. Passing was an afterthough and receivers were used to block. So when Hutson ran past everybody you came up to get the runner, it was an easy pitch and catch every time.

In 1942, out of the 172 compltetions made by the team, 74 of them went to Hutson. I'm not very good at math, but that's 43% of passing plays according to my calculator.

In 1987 (Rice's 22 TD season), he had 65 receptions of the team's 322 completions. That's good for 20%. (I'll expand next arg)

1942- 17 Touchdowns in 11 Games (+6)
1987- 22 Touchdowns in 16 Games (+6)

There's something similar about that stat DJ. Can you point it out for the audience please?

Out of room. Expect MUCH MUCH more.

(KMac) Lame Sauce said 11/22, 09:56 PM
"So while other teams were running the ball a lot more GB was ahead of the game more than other teams."

Exactly DJ. Everybody's defense was geared towards stopping the run since that's what the other (9!!) teams were all used to.

"I choose to say he was the first great receiver of his time."

I agree with this statement. I'm not saying Hutson wasn't a great receiver, or that he isn't in the top 10 ever.. just not #1. That belongs to Jerry Rice.

Enough quoting, back to stats.

- In 1987 Jerry rice had 22 TD's in 12 games. Unreal.
- Jerry Rice was a 13x pro bowler
- 10 time first team all pro
- Named the #1 greatest player of ALL TIME by NFL network
- Holds the record for receptions, yards, and touchdowns by a WR

Personally I think Don Hutson's stats are partially skewed. If 43% of your completions were to Rice during the 12 games season in 1987 his stats would be off the charts.

My final point is this. There was more competition, there was better competition, and Jerry Rice was still the best at his position every year. There's no doubt in my mind that Jerry Rice is the greatest of all time.