- 11/22/2011, 12:18PM ET
HighwayCrossingFrog said 11/22, 12:18 PM
At the moment, if the rumours are true..
Valentine is the front runner for the Red sox..
I dont like him..
He has lost control over his clubhouse, not once but twice!
One season, they lost almost all their games in august..
And the other, yeah they made the play offs after a september collapse, but he had some players goofing off in the clubhouse, playing cards, think one of them was Bonilla..
He also had too much faith in suspect closer armando Benitez,
which cost his team a chance at game 7 vs braves in NLCS..
We just had one manager, who could not control the clubhouse..
Do we really need another one?
DJRoxalot said 11/22, 12:28 PM
Bobby Valentine is an excellent baseball manager. He doesn't have the best record (581-605, 49%), but he also was managing the Texas Rangers from 1985-1992 and the NY Mets from 1996-2002.
In 2000, he led the Mets to a 94-68 record and an NL pennant. They lost, 4-1 to the Yankees in the World Series.
The Red Sox would be the best team he has ever managed.
The Mets need a veteran manager to be able to motivate the players, not a wet behind the ears rookie manager. Valentine is a respected baseball lmanager.
Valentine would be a very good hire.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 11/22, 12:51 PM
I wont lie..
i dont like the guy..
watching him on espn, he comes across as egotistical, obnoxioua and a know it all..
While the rangers might have been suspect..
the mets, while he was there, had some quality players..
apart from 2000, you could make a strong case the mets underachieved..
In the 1999 nlcs, it was obvious armando benitez had confidence issues..
He should have had any of his other pitchers at his disposal,
pitch the 9th vs braves game 6..
offer larussa a ton of cash..
or trade for baker, the reds manager..
thats what the marlins did with ozzie guillen..
DJRoxalot said 11/22, 01:03 PM
"i dont like the guy..
watching him on espn, he comes across as egotistical, obnoxioua and a know it all.."
It's television. It's all about ratings. They want confident and egotistical people. It's called offering an opinion to the fans who watch their show.
"In the 1999 nlcs, it was obvious armando benitez had confidence issues..
He should have had any of his other pitchers at his disposal"
So because of 1 postseason, you are going to say he is a poor choice?
When they returned to the NLCS in 2000 and won? Making it to the WS.
That doesn't sound like very good logic to me. Valentine redeemed himself by coaching them into the 2000 WS. If they had failed a 2nd straight year to get past the NLCS, I could see your point.
offer larussa a ton of cash.."
LaRussa is retired from managing. He could have stayed with the Cardinals, but he chose to walk away on top. He may continue in some capacity, but he isn't really sure.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 11/22, 01:33 PM
This is not the guy for the red sox..
Heck, bring back art howe.. Lead oakland athletics to a 20 game winning streak, about ten years ago..
Point being there is a whole list of potential candidates out there..
we dont need valentine, its the wrong fit..
He's more of a new yorker anway..
We need a disciplinary person..
Valentine failed to do that with the mets, when several of his players were goofing off and playing texas hold'em in the clubhouse..
Plus he has been apart of 3 disastrous septembers for the mets..
The guy is a train wreck when it comes to september baseball..
get someone else..
This is not a good fit for us..
DJRoxalot said 11/23, 06:37 AM
Do you just listen to the hate surrounding Valentine, HCF? Or do you do any research?
10 winning seasons in 15 years a MLB manager.
4 top 2 finishes in 7 season as skipper of the Mets. They play(ed) in 1 of the most competitive Divisions in all of baseball, the East.
"Heck, bring back art howe.. Lead oakland athletics to a 20 game winning streak, about ten years ago.."
He is retired and hasnt managed a team since 2004. I don't think he is an option. Not to mention, he is under .500 in the regular season, HCF, 49.8%. He has just 7 winning seasons in 14 years as a skipper. And just 6-9 in the postseason.
At least Valentine has been to a WS. Oh, and he is 1,117-1,072 (51%) in the regular season. And 13-11 in the postseason. I was using his Texas Rangers winning %.
Sorry for the error.
He is the best option available for the Red Sox.
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