- 11/26/2011, 11:02PM ET
Mrlns Fn said 11/27, 12:02 AM
To me, this is a no brainer.
Robert Griffin the Third has been the best player by far in terms of value to his team, and has also put up staggering statistics against pretty good competition. No matter what kind of criteria you use to determine who should win the Heisman, RG3 fits the bill either way.
I know everyone here hates statistics, but I'm going to post them anyway.
RG3: 73% completions, over 3,500 passing yards, over 10.5 yards per attempt, 33 TD passes, just 5 INTs, rating of 191.7.
Look up some other Qbs stats if you want. Luck looks pedestrian compared to RG3. Barkley's been good, but not to this level. Weeden's been good, but not as good as RG3. And you can't really compare QBs to RBs, none of whom have been overwhelmingly good enough to stack up against RG3 anyway.
Consider this - about halfway through the season, RG3 had more TD passes than incompletions.
That's right, more TDs than incompletions.
And all this for an awful Baylor team playing in the Big 12, one of college football's strongest divisions.
Since joining the league in 1996, Baylor is 18-101 in regular season games, up til this year when they are 8-3, thanks to Griffin.
DJRoxalot said 11/27, 01:17 PM
10 of the last 11 winners have been a QB and no RB has been dominating enough to earn it imo so I will agree with you and say it is a QB.
Andrew Luck hasn't been particularly impressive the last month or so. He seems to be struggling at times during games, like vs Oregon and USC. Even against ND, he looked like a mortal. Matt Barkley would be my choice, he has played very well as of late. But, I think the voters are influenced by USC being on probation.
I think it will go to a record breaking QB like Case Keenum.
He had a great season, he completed 73.2% of his passes for 393.8ypg, 10.12ypa, 43 TD's yo just 3 INT's with a 187.3 Rating.
He has led an offense that is #1 in scoring, total ypg and passing ypg.
Keenum doesn't have the same talent Griffin has on offense. Kendall Wright and Terrance Williams make Griffin's job a lot easier. Not to mention, RB Terrance Ganaway (99.6ypg and 5.8ypc).
Houston is 12-0. Combine that with his excellent season and I think he deserves it the most.
Mrlns Fn said 11/27, 10:51 PM
Case Keenum plays for the Houston Cougars. The Cougars are a member of Conference USA, AKA the scurbs-only conference. In other words, Case Keenum hasn't played a good defense all year because he plays in a crap conference and no tough out of conference games were scheduled.
I looked at Houston's schedule to identify their toughest opponent this season. It's tough because every single team on their schedule has been a MAJOR cupcake, to put it mildly.
I guess their toughest opponent was UCLA. UCLA, I might remind you, is 6-6 and just got smacked down by USC, losing by the score of 50-0. The Bruins have the 87th ranked defense.
And that was probably Houston's TOUGHEST game all year. And Houston only won 38-34.
Keenum won't win because he's racked up his stats against the midgets of the NCAA football world. That isn't going to impress any Heisman voters.
RG3 and Baylor play in the Big 12, and have faced #14 TCU, #21 Texas A&M, #3 Oklahoma State, #5 Oklahoma, and have #22 Texas upcoming. They've also played Kansas State, Missouri and Texas Tech.
Baylor's competition has been way tougher, and RG3 will win based off that.
DJRoxalot said 11/27, 11:12 PM
"I guess their toughest opponent was UCLA. UCLA, I might remind you, is 6-6 and just got smacked down by USC, losing by the score of 50-0. The Bruins have the 87th ranked defense."
UCLA made it to the Pac-12 title game, but this won't be their toughest game. The toughest game will be next week vs #24 Southern Mississippi in the Conference USA title game. They are 10-2 with the 15th ranked scoring offense and 25th ranked scoring defense. And a pretty solid team.
"Keenum won't win because he's racked up his stats against the midgets of the NCAA football world. That isn't going to impress any Heisman voters."
Andre Ware won the Heisman in 1989 for Houston. Ware completed 63.1% of his passes for 4,699 yards, 8.1ypa, 46 TD's to 15 INT's with a 152.5 QB Rating.
Ty Detmer won it in 1990 and his numbers weren't as dominant either. He completed 64% of his passes for 5,188 yards, 9.2ypa, 41 TD's to 28 INT's with a 155.9 Rating.
Keenum deserves it as he has posted the most impressive numbers of any college football player. Regardless of the level of competition. He is in playing in the FCS.
Mrlns Fn said 11/27, 11:22 PM
Ok, you say their toughest game WILL BE against Southern Miss.
This is true, but the game hasn't been played yet. Don't be surprised if Houston loses and if Keenum's numbers are less than overwhelming.
You bring up Andre Ware and Ty Detmer as examples of guys from sorry conferences winning the Heisman.
This is true, but your examples were from 1989 and 1990!!
This is ancient history. Times have changed. Conference strength trumps everything nowadays. There's a reason Alabama is going to play for the Championship even though they have a loss and Houston doesn't. It's because Alabam lost to LSU, a fellow SEC team who just happend to be the country's top ranked team.
Houston wouldn't stand a chance against LSU or most of the other SEC teams, and Case Keenum would have zero chance of putting up the same numbers if he had to play in the SEC.
As I said, conference strength trumps everything, including win-loss records. Houston may be undefeated, and Keenum may have ridiculous stats, but RG3 plays against MUCH tougher competition and has still excelled.
This is why RG3 will beat out Keenum for the Heisman trophy.
Mark it down.
DJRoxalot said 11/28, 09:52 AM
The TD isn't who will win the Heisman, but who SHOULD win the Heisman. And it's Keenum because he is having a historic season. Like Detmer and Ware did.
"Houston wouldn't stand a chance against LSU or most of the other SEC teams"
Like Boise State and Kellen Moore wouldn't stand a chance against the Georgia Bulldogs? Boise State won, 35-21.
"Case Keenum would have zero chance of putting up the same numbers if he had to play in the SEC."
Really? Not if he played for the Old Ball coach, Steve Spurrier. He had a Heisman winner by the name of Danny Wuerffel.
Or Bobby Petrino who runs a pass heavy offense at Arkansas. The Razorbacks average 307.8ypg with Tyler Wilson.
Houston destroyed, Tulsa, 48-16. And they were more impressive against them than Boise State (beat Tulsa, 41-21) and Oklahoma (47-14).
Griffin's Baylor team has 3 losses. It has been a while since a Heisman has gone to a player that had lost that many games.
Keenum deserves it the most.
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