- 11/28/2011, 03:04PM ET
[Mahewman]Big Bad Bruins said 11/28, 03:04 PM
Two U's Two K's Two Points
My gut was Jonathan Quick, however he turned 25 this year. Eliminating him from contention. From here there are two solid NHL goalies and a handful of prospects.
But with the experience of taking in a Stanley Cup win and sitting behind the Worlds Best Goalie right now. Tuukka is the guy.
Before Tim Thomas defied all logic that age mattered or that a new hip would deter him.
Tuukka was the Bruins starter.
In the 2009-2010 season, as the starter, Tuukka put up a save percentage of .931 and goals against average of 1.97!
The Vezina trophy winner that year (Ryan Miller), had a .929 save percentage and 2.22 gaa.
If it wasn't for the Bruins two headed monster in net. Tuukka would have run away with the Vezina. Now with all the experience in the world and the talent to back it up...
I select Tuukka Rask in the under 25 goalie draft.
The main factor in choosing Tuukka over Carey Price is the fact that Price isn't as clutch as hes made out to be.
In the playoffs. Carey Price is a whopping 8-15 with a 2.78 gaa. Which includes the year when the Canadiens finished 1st in the East.
Two U's Two K's Two Points.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 11/29, 07:16 AM
This one hurts.
It hurts a lot.
I feel like I'm making a deal with Satan, or as I call him, the guy in the office next to me.
"Hey Satan, who should I go with?"
Satan's response? "Schad, go with Price, you know you wanna...."
Dammit, Satan is right.
In this, I have to go with Price.
Right now, he's been a starter for 3 seasons, with this being the fourth, so there isn't a "flash in the pan" potential. Last year, he had 38 wins on a Montreal team that simply wasn't that good. Yes, they had some injuries, but their leading point getter had 57 points and they had a whopping 3 players with 20 or more goals.
The only reason Montreal even got to the playoffs was because of Price. Like Lundqvist in New York, he carried that team to any place they got. Just to get to the playoffs, Price had to play 72 games last year. Even in the one series that Price was in last year, he had a .934 save percentage.
You mention "clutch", but unfortunately, in the series against Philly a couple of years ago, Rask was in net for the collapse.
Price has already shown that he can carry a sub-par team.
[Mahewman]Big Bad Bruins said 11/29, 03:19 PM
I did mention the word clutch. I will admit, but never did i say Tuukka was clutch. I said Carey Price is proven not to be clutch. Though they are both still very young, I would have issues trusting Carey Price in a 7 game series.
Carey in the playoffs posts a very losing record.
Tuukka on the other hand went into the playoffs with an injured Bruins squad and bested Ryan Miller.
Then with an injury to their top line center and a team relying on Providence Bruins. They fell to the Flyers.
Do you remember what team played the Flyers in the Eastern Finals?
It was the Canadiens. Without Price. But Jaroslav Halak.
So to say, Carey Price carried a sub-par team. So did Halak.
For me, it is the playoffs that count. And right now the Price is wrong.
Both have won one playoff series. But Price has had twice as many opportunities.
Carey Price has a career 2.6 goals against average. Save Percentage of .916
Tuukka Rask has a career 2.25 goals against average. Save Percentage of .925.
Tuukka is the only rookie ever to post a sub 2 goals against average.
I think there is one thing we can agree on. These two will be rivals for a very long time.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 11/30, 06:51 AM
Well, if we are going to talk numbers, let's be fair about it. You rounded up Carey Price's career GAA and didn't do it to Rask.
Price: 2.57 GAA
Rask 2.25 GAA
Also, yes, the Bruins had a lot of injuries a couple of years ago against the Flyers. But, a goalie should be able to get 1 win out of 4 against a team, considering they were leading some of those games.
You also say that Price has a losing record in the playoffs. Price had worse teams and played in a lot more games before the playoffs. It's the same argument used against Lundqvist.
Last year, he played 72 regular season games. That had an effect at playoff time. To put that in perspective, that's 14 fewer games than Rask has in his entire career.
In Price's last four years, here is his GAA:
Let me throw out a couple of names:
These were guys that were "flash in the pan" goalies. Great rookie seasons, then kinda fell off the face of the planet. That's why I don't like to look at 1 season wonders as goalies and determine that is who to build a team around. Price has a lot of experience, Rask doesn't.
[Mahewman]Big Bad Bruins said 11/30, 11:46 PM
Experience for a young goalie can come in many different ways. Tuukka and Carey are very much in different scenarios. One of which is depended entirely by their franchise, and one of which is backing up a two time Vezina Trophy winner.
This is where your flash in the pan goalies come into play. Andrew Raycroft had such high expectations after his stellar season with the B's that the pressure eventually got to him.
Tuukka is in a situation right now, where he has the ability to take everything in. He has had the opportunity thus far to learn from wiley veterans in Mark Recchi and Tim Thomas. At this point in his career, he has to take everything in stride and realize his turn with the organization is right around the corner. He is getting the opportunity to learn from an amazing goalie with an entirely different style.
Carey's expectations skyrocketed because he got drafted to the best team in the Eastern Conference. Since then they have been on a downward spiral. (mainly management choices)
OR could this be the fact that they put the burden on Price too fast. Could be.
Both goalies are a great choice.
TUUKKA's NAME IS ON THE CUP THOUGH!
Great TD Schad.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/01, 10:47 AM
I don't think the burden is too much, if it was, he would have Raycrofted his way out of Montreal by now. He's very steady, you know you are going to get most nights and the steady decline in G.A.A. shows that he is getting better.
As far as Rask having his name on the cup, he played as many games in the playoffs as I did last year.
Like I said, if I'm getting a goalie to build a team around, I'm looking for one that has shown that, over time, he is going to be steady in net and a solid player. The problem with taking a goalie with only 86 games played in his career is that you really don't know what you have yet. It takes time to really see what you have in a goalie.
Will Rask be a really good goalie? I don't know, time will tell.
Will Price be a really good goalie? We already knows that he is.
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