- 11/30/2011, 11:12AM ET
W_A_M_U? said 11/30, 11:12 AM
While there were a couple of current NFLers I thought of I'm going to go with a player that has rewritten the record books, Atlanta Falcons TE Tony Gonzalez.
Just to briefly mention his college career at California he was an All Pac 10 and first team All American selection his senior year. Drafted in the first round of the 1997 draft with the thirteenth pick by the Kansas City Cheifs he has gone on to have a stellar career. Gonzalez holds the all time record for TE's in receptions with 1,128 / receiving yards with 13,093 to go along with 95 touchdowns. He also set the single season mark for receptions by a TE with 102 back in 2004 with the Cheifs. TG is an eleven time Pro Bowler and five time All NFL selection.
He even has a passer rating of 118.7, completing the only pass of his career for forty yards back in 2001. Of course there is no question that Gonzalez will be a first ballot Hall of Famer once his record setting career is finally over. The question remains though will he be lucky enough to get that elusive ring he has been chasing since he got into the league fifteen years ago?
Good luck UBP!
UnBiasedPerspective-ChaosRules said 11/30, 08:02 PM
And Good Luck to you bud!
Now, for my pick I've gone with a defensive phenom. 8th year in the league, so he's paid his dues time wise. Very impressive stats and just keeps getting better.
He's a team leader. Plays hard but clean. One of the few who let his play on the field speak for him. Is an individual with a personality. Above all, a true football player.
Some people don't get the theme of this TD. Number one, it's hypothetical and there is no "logical" answer. We were asked to debate who we felt should have a ring based on their play, contribution and lack of control over the teams they played for. If you get hung up on the single words deserve and feel, you miss the point. It's the equivalent of asking which of 2 teams would win on a neutral playing field. Sure, stats might suggest 1 or the other, but the outcome would only be decided if you lined them up on the field. And the outcome might be different than the stats would suggest. Happens every week in sports.
Now, as for my pick, it's Jared Allen. Even if the above weren't true, the final point in his favor is that he's from Dallas!
W_A_M_U? said 12/01, 12:03 PM
Great selection UBP, Jared Allen is a helluva football player. Although he should have kept his classic mullet haircut(ha-ha)!
While in Kansas City Gonzalez set just about every receiving record that the Cheifs have. Receptions with 916 / receiving yards at 10,940 to go along with 76 touchdown grabs / career yards from scrimage: 10,954 and consecutive games with a reception: 130. Now those numbers alone are Hall of Fame worthy for a TE. Of course TG didn't stop there though.
From 2000-2006 no other TE was as productive. Gonzalez averaged 79 receptions, 968 yards to go along with 6.5 touchdowns. And he made the Pro Bowl in all seven of those seasons.
And here are some more of the NFL records TG owns. Most seasons with 1,000 yards receiving by a TE (4), consecutive seasons with 50+ receptions: 14 (counting this year). TG is also the career leader for TE's in Pro Bowl recpetions with 42 and touchdowns with 6.
The fact that Gonzalez played basketball in college has made me think in the past had TG failed would have Antonio Gates been given a chance in the NFL? Just a general question though since they are both TE's.
UnBiasedPerspective-ChaosRules said 12/01, 08:54 PM
OK Buddy, here are some stats for you...
Allen was Rookie of the Year
He has only missed 3 games in his career so far
He has 439 tackles with 362 solo
96.5 Sacks and battling Ware this year for Sack leader
25 Forced Fumbles and 15 recovered
5 Interceptions for 53 yards
1 Defensive TD and 4 total for 30 points
42 Pass Defenses
52 Stuffs for 100 yards
And a kick blocked
He's an outdoors-man. Killed a wild hog with a knife. Is a free spirit who just cut his mullet out of respect for his wife and their wedding. He's a leader, animated, fired up but doesn't talk crap. He's a good teammate. And stuck on 2 teams that always show promise but don't deliver.
He is the Poster Child for the guys that have bad luck or teams.
What I don't understand is that Tony was on some good Chief's teams. He flirted with giving up football for the NBA. Was it a lack of focus that kept him from getting that prized ring?
I think he makes the Hall, I just can't figure out why he hasn't earned one yet...
1 round to go Bud!
W_A_M_U? said 12/02, 10:54 AM
"He is the Poster Child for the guys that have bad luck or teams."
With that statement I could have sworn he played for the Browns at some point during his great career(ha-ha)!
At 6-5 there in no question that Gonzalez picked the right sport. Actually had he picked basketball he would have had a nonexistent career in my opinion. Only in the world of the NBA could 6-5 be too short to be a PF. And if I remember correctly his ball handling skills weren't good enough to be a SF and forget about him at SG. Although if Gonzalez and Allen played a game of one on one my money would be on TG.
And here are a couple more Gonzalez stats...he is 3 of 3 on two point conversions. All with Kansas City in 1997, 2001 and 2006. Now one stat that shouldn't even be mentioned is his career rushing attempts and yards. As you can imagine at 6-5 and 251 he's not out running any from linebackers or defensive backs. Which is why his numbers are less than spectacular. Two rushing attempts for a total of fourteen yards. With the longest run of his career being an awesome nine yard run!
For his career he has averaged 56.2 ypg. In KC he averaged 57.1 ypg and in Atlanta he's averaged 50.1 ypg.
UnBiasedPerspective-ChaosRules said 12/02, 08:59 PM
Well, here we are at the end of the road. We've laid out our case, shared stats and presented 2 worthy candidates for consideration.
After this it's down to the voters. One of us chose a solid offensive player and the other a defensive monster. Both have been stuck on bad teams. Neither one let that affect their attitude or performance.
Some of you have decided to vote before the last argument. That's cool, your mind is made up, your mind is made up.
What this TD really boils down to is which player you like over the other. So Dj, I'm leaving the monkey in my butt and will leave you esteemed voters with this.
Defense wins championships!
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