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Put down the SEC flavored Kool-Aid, folks!!!
Marlins Fan said 12/04, 12:52 AM
Oklahoma State should get the chance to battle LSU in the National Championship game. Alabama should not be given the chance for a do-over.
Disagree? Well, you're wrong.
But feel free to accept this TD and argue your point.
Here's some of my points:
I'll break it down more later, but Oklahoma State played a tougher schedule than Alabama, and both teams finished with the same record at 11-1 each. Forget what you heard about the SEC being so much tougher than the other conferences. OSU played a tougher schedule. Period.
Not only that, but Alabama already lost to LSU. Why give them a do-over? **** that.
Now some might say that Alabama deserves the edge because their loss came to LSU, while Ok St's loss came at the hands of Iowa State. But Ok St lost that game in double overtime. And it was two days after a couple of Ok St lady's basketball coaches were killed in a tragic plance accident.
After Ok St pounded Oklahoma tonight to win the Big 12 Championship while Alabama sat at home and watched because they didn't even qualify for their conference championship, it became clear that Ok St, and not Alabama, should play LSU for the national title.
And the Prophecy Read said 12/04, 04:04 AM
I mean this in the nicest way possible, Oklahoma States womens basketball coches death affected the football team about as much as it would Alabama's womens bball coaches dying. Those kids are there to play football. People die every day, if you want to say death is tragedy then let Arkansas who had to bury a teammate play in the game since the LSU game was shortly there after. My sympathy goes out to the deceased but it in no way shape or form affected the football team.
And why give 'Bama a do over? Well one could say they outplayed LSU. One could say they were clearly the better team. The score might say otherwise but I doubt Bama misses that many field goas again. And I highly doubt both teams don't score again. Its a different type of game. Its a game where you have nothing to lose instead of having everything to lose. The playbook opens up a little more and more chances are taken at that point.
Last time I checked LSU > Okla State. If Bama wins that game they play today. You can't fault them for playing in LSU conference if no other team was undefeated and since Bama played such a strong game in a losing effort. Bama is the 2nd best team in the nation.
Marlins Fan said 12/04, 08:18 PM
I completely disagree about the OSU coaches deaths not impacting the football team.
Here's a personal anecdote that might explain why I feel the way I do.
Growing up, I lived in San Antonio, TX. I played high school football for a 5A school. (Go Holmes Huskies!!)
During my junior year, two students from my HS were murdered in a field across the freeway from my HS campus.
Their deaths weighed heavily on my mind, and on the minds of a lot of my fellow students and student athletes.
I can't explain it, but something is off when someone from your world is killed, and it's a really hard feeling to shake off. You start reevaluating life, and your perspective on many topics becomes completely changed.
There's no doubt in my mind that at least some of the OSU players were impacted by the tragic accident. I have no doubt that at least some of those players' preparation suffered as a result of the accident.
Keep in mind this was a day before the Iowa St game, a game they lost in double overtime.
Penalizing the OSU football team for being off their game after a tragic accident is not only the wrong move, it's callous.
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Agree <----------------
Also pretty sure the Iowa State loss came on the same day that the school/public found out the coaches died. Believe the crash happened the day before but it took time to figure out who was in it
:CubanMissile:
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Completely agree
Rudedog: Thankful
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I think it was a couple days later, but the point is still the same
Rudedog: Thankful
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They were basketball coaches right? I don't think that is what caused the Oklahoma St. football team to lose. They just underestimated their opponent and Iowa St. got a couple of good breaks. But either way, I would like to see OK St. and LSU go at it. O vs. D instead of D vs. D.
Razorback Attack
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"Disagree? Well, you're wrong."
Haha, reminds me of the saying "everyone's entitled to my opinion."
That said, I agree with you.
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You can't blame the loss on that. But theirs a connection between athletes at the school and especially coaches. For something like that to happen (let alone for a second time in recent school history) it weighs on you. Even if its just a small thought occupying your head on game-day it can still have effect.
:CubanMissile:
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Honey badger doesn't give a **** who he plays.
Assassin: Simile…
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Well, after thinking about it, I agree that it should be LSU-Ok. St. The only other team that comes close is Stanford, but they didn't play in their conference title game as well. We have to wait and see how the coaches vote and what the whacky BCS computers compute.
BCS Title Game
LSU vs. OK St.
Rose Bowl
Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl
Stanford vs. Kansas State or TCU
Sugar Bowl
Alabama vs. Michigan
Orange Bowl
Clemson vs. West Virginia
DonCorleone
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Stanford gets another easy W.
Assassin: Simile…
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It wasn't two days later. It was one day later, and Budke and Serna were found the same day as the game: November 18th.
Somebody of Note
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I'd rather see Boise than KSU or TCU as a true at large.
Somebody of Note
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I expect Oklahoma State to lose out in the subjective votes in large part because their name is Oklahoma State.
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Your Sugar Bowl pick...Really? Even though MSU made it to the conference title game and finished the season ranked higer in conference than UM? Interesting, how do you figure?
Wamu
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Thought the same thing, I have to assume he meant Michigan St.
MasterBatter
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Basically it comes down to quality of wins vs the quality of loss. Obviously Bama lost to a tougher opponent then Ok St but OkSt played the tougher schedule, played 5 current top25 teams and 7 teams that are going to bowls compared to 2 and 3 respectively for Bama.
MasterBatter
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If LSU and Bama play for it all I'm gonna be sick. I don't care how good Bama is this year. The bottom line is they did not win their division of the SEC or the conference crown. And even the most die-hard Bama or SEC fan can't deny that.
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