- 12/05/2011, 09:00AM ET
HighwayCrossingFrog said 12/05, 09:00 AM
The marlins are my 2nd favourite MLB team..
and I cant think of another team, where the fans have more reason to be optimistic..
especially in baseball..
after 8 years of being in the cellar..
and being a sellers club..
the marlins have become highly motivated to do a 180,
cause they are moving to a new stadium, in a fantastic location, in 4 months..
the first big sign that they were getting serious, was when they traded for ozzie guillen, the manager..
trading for a manager is simply unheard of..
now they just signed big name player jose reyes..
and there are strong rumours of them going after pujols!
i know the philies are in their division..
but the NL wild card is up for grabs..
braves are good, but not great..
and I know, even if they get the machine,
there are still many pieces they need..
But is there another team in sports,
that is on the verge of going from a nobody, to becoming a new powerhouse?
if there is, I cant think of it.. And im sure its not as dramatic as the rise of the marlins..
you can pick any team in any sports..
maybe I am jumping the gun.. If I am, please tell me why..
but I dont think so..
Argos. said 12/05, 10:15 AM
Why not to be optimistic about the Marlins:
All the rumours have been Reyes or Pujols, they aren't going for both.
They still have a really, really bad owner in Loria.
They have signed the biggest free agent before, Delgado, only to trade him a year later (note, Reyes does not have a no-trade).
They pissed off their best player, Hanley, who said he doesn't want to move away from SS.
Trading top prospects for a manager is stupid.
Finally, they are under investigation by the Security & Exchange Commission. Being under investigation by the SEC is kinda a big deal, with possible jail time facing Loria. Not to mention, if any wrong doings occurred, which there most likely has if the SEC launched an investigation, the team will go bankrupt. The league would most likely take over ownership, and they would have to do a MASSIVE salary dump, trading guys like Reyes, Hanley, & Johnson.
I really wanna pick the Jays, who have so much young talent on the team and the leagues top farm, but in order to prevent people calling me a homer, I'm gonna go with the Edmonton Oilers.
The Oilers young core of Eberle, Hall, & now Nugent-Hopkins is ridiculous.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 12/05, 12:26 PM
Hi argos, good to see the common wealth being reprezzin:)
If you dont mind, could you please argue blue jays.
it sounds like you could present an Interesting argument I could rebute.
i only follow olympic hockey, so you might as well present your debate in japanse, when talkin about oilers
But its up to you.
Technically i am being a homer too, ha.
i love the red sox like a wife.
and I love the marlins, like the secretary you sneak off on a business trip to have an affair with:)
i love the red sox alot more.
but I have a special place for marlins too
Lets just say for fun,
the marlins get machine, (and there are rumours out there).
that would give them a massive piece to the puzzle.
and it would be easy to build around.
marlins have a decent batting line up.
they would only need one or two starters and relievers.
they would be in a fantastic position, to win a very easy NL wild card
Only way jays make the play offs is by gettin out of that god forsaken division.
Yanks will be solid for years.
red sox will always have a significantly bigger pay roll.
rays have alot of young and talented players, and a beutiful pitching staff, loaded in starters
Argos. said 12/06, 12:07 PM
More reasons why not to be so optimistic about the Marlins.
The fact they wont offer Pujols a no-trade, and the fact they didn't give Bell or Reyes one reminds me of the Delgado signing. Especially considering they have cash issues and are under SEC investigation.
Also, Marlins team President won comment on the status of Hanley with Reyes now on the team. He wont say if the team is gonna keep him or not.
Reasons to be optimistic about the Jays:
The new wild card spot benefits no team more than the Jays.
They have the best GM in baseball. Not only did he dump Vernon Wells, not only did he sign to a 5-year $64 million deal, but he signed Ricky Romero for 5-years $30 million, he traded Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar then signed him for 4-years $20 million. He traded 1 prospect and 3 relief pitchers for Colby Rasmus! And he also added 21-year old Brett Lawrie, who draws comparisons to Evan Longoria.
Reports have them as the favourites to sign Prince Fielder.
This Jays team is extremely young & talented, and have the best farm system in baseball to back it up.
This Jays team is up and coming and will be very dangerous.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 12/06, 06:31 PM
Ok. Blue jays it is
I owe you one
Just in, marlins just offered pujols a 10 year contract!
he wont get a better offer than that.
i know its too many years.
but relevancy has its price.
do you want a big bat or not?
im ecstatic marlins are pulling the trigger on this.
pujols would be a fool to turn this down.
and he would have 75% of his team mates, as fellow latinos.
plus latinos love the heat, the tropics, great cuban food, all that miami has to offer.
i just cant see pujols in a cubs uniform.
it would be a massive mind fu__c__k.
and st louis people would probably boo him, (but not in the irrelevant miami uniform).
and I dont see st louis coming close to matching miamis offer.
he goes to miami, and pujols has a fresh challenge.
maybe larussa would have put pressure on him to stay, but he is gone.
I really think the stars are aligned on this one.
and you have to respect miamis philosophy, on when to pull the trigger.
they lie in puke for 8 years. Saving and saving and saving.
they had 2012 on their radar. Pujols was the perfect plan
Good luck with jays
they are cursed with al east:(
Argos. said 12/07, 06:37 PM
Pujols didn't sign with them. They signed Buerhle, and reports are they are not going after Fielder because of that.
Meanwhile, Buster Olney said that Hanley wants his contract restructured in order to shift positions. Miami is upset with that (they don't want to give him more money) and are looking to trade Hanley, perhaps to Toronto, who has a history of acquiring players at their lowest value when they run into trouble (Escobar, Rasmus) and who already tried really hard to get him at the deadline.
The Reyes deal is looking a lot more like the Delgado deal. Not only did he not get a no-trade, but it is heavily backloaded, with him only making 10 million per season in the first two years (so if Miami trades him, they wouldn't have paid him much).
Toronto continues to improve. At 2B, Kelly Johnson and his .784 career OPS takes over from Aaron Hill who had a .584 OPS in 104 games for the Jays last year.
Rasmus is a massive upgrade, on defense and with the bat, over Patterson (last years starting CF'er).
Lawrie had a .953 OPS last year in 43 games, and is an upgrade over McCoy/Nix/McDonald's .600 OPS at 3B.
Reyes started 20 games & Rauch was the closer. Both gone.
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