- 12/07/2011, 02:23AM ET
bmata34 said 12/07, 02:23 AM
***I'm going to do this throw down on the Colts having the knowledge that Peyton Manning is healthy and will be at least healthy for the start of the year, not necessarily the whole year. There's no point in dong this if he is injured and/or retires ***
On that note, while the Colts have been beyond terrible this year they could trade the first pick essentially, Andrew Luck, for a king's ransom. With the picks the Colts could solidify their defense, which never was really that good but they simply had Peyton outscoring other teams. The picks, along with the return of key injured players other than Manning would put the Colts right back in the picture in the hunt for the playoffs.
J-Business said 12/07, 05:26 AM
Peyton Manning has a serious neck injury and will be 36 years old by the start of the 2012 NFL season.
Peyton is a great player but his latest injury will signal the downside of his career. A player may miss a year due to a leg injury or throwing arm but this has a normal healing curve.
The neck does not
He will never be 100% again
What makes a QB great is stepping back in the pocket, swirling their head around and checking for the open receiver.
Peyton will simply not be able to do that as simple as he used to.
The Colt's will not receive a "king's ransom" for the #1 pick.
The 2012 draft is considered to have one of the best QB drafts ever.
Teams will not give up too many draft picks for the #1 because they can draft another potentially great player with their own pick, or trade for a mid 1st rd pick at a lower cost
The Colts have a lot of options for the future and there is no sense in tying it to a 36 yr old QB
They can select Luck and have him work under Manning for a yr or 2
Trade Manning for a few draft picks
Quietly release Manning, draft Luck and sign a few free agents w/ the cap money
It's a tough business but this is reality
bmata34 said 12/07, 10:25 AM
Peyton may not be exactly 100% but I guarantee that 90% of Peyton is still a top 5 quarterback. This season proves how valuable he is, the Colts are essentially the same team as last but yet, they can't win a game.
Sure there are a lot of good quarterback prospects in this years draft but the chance to land Luck could change a franchise like Manning did for the Colts. Trading down and receiving extra draft picks will allow them to rebuild while winning at the same time. So arguing that the Colts will be going for it in the short run only if they do not draft Luck isn't true. They'll be able to fill the team with draft picks.
A forgotten fact of their defense: It was built around speed on the d-line and speed at linebacker. With the Colts offense not putting up points, they have been trailing, so in turn teams run the ball at the Colts defense in large quantities. The defense was not built for this, Freeney and Mathis are not run stopping d-ends, there meant to get up field and sack the quarterback. When they are trailing they simply cannot do this in an effective manner. With Peyton back, the Colts will lead games, making the defense more effective.
J-Business said 12/07, 01:01 PM
Peyton Manning has a serious neck injury that is threatening his career.
There is no "coming back 90% etc"
He'll be lucky to come back.
This isn't the kind of injury that someone can just play through. It's his neck.
More importantly, he'll be 36 yrs old.
You're saying that the Colts are a QB away from being back in the playoffs. Why not bring in a young one who can start immediately?
The Colts are in a unique position that many clubs wish they could be in.
They have the #1 pick in the draft
They have an older QB with trade value
The same QB makes a boatload of money, and they can simply cut him
In the cutthroat world of the NFL, this is what teams envy
The Colts have a legitimate excuse to move on w/out their $90 million QB
His replacement will be a rookie and will only cost a fraction of that
They'll take the money and sign a few free agents.
They'll also have a high 2nd rd pick and can pick up another starter
The fans love Manning but w/ the potential for the future, they'll get over it very fast
No way possible they mortgage their chance of a lifetime for a 36 yr old QB with a bad neck
bmata34 said 12/08, 01:40 PM
First of all, I said we were doing this throw down on the basis he was going to be healthy and were not doctors so there is no point in arguing that.
And why give everything up and start rebuilding when they can win and rebuild at the same time? That's what they could do if they keep Peyton and trade the pick.
If the Browns can get a 1st, 2nd, 4th, future 1st and 4th for the 6th pick (Julio Jones trade) then why couldn't the Colts get a little more for the first pick? With the rookie salary cap in place teams would be willing to trade for the first pick, knowing the player will not take a large portion of the salary cap.
Speaking of the Browns, wouldn't they be an excellent trade partner? Extra 1st rounders and picks, unsure if Colt McCoy is the future. I think so.
And you say the Colts could cut Manning and sign some big free agents? That's not how the Colts work, they rarely sign big free agents, moreover, they usually try to find under the radar guys at a cheaper prices.
And who is to say Luck has the capability to lead the Colts to the playoffs? He could be the next Ryan Leaf. So if your the Colts the best option is to rebuild and win at the same time.
J-Business said 12/09, 02:00 AM
Politics and feelings aside, the Colts will not pay a 36 yr old QB with a bad neck $26 million next season.
The NFL is a cold place and this is what happens to many great NFL quarterbacks. At the end of the career, they end up with another team for a yr or two or they retire prematurely
That's just how it is
You should take note of NFL history. This is what happens to quarterbacks
From Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Warren Moon to Brett Favre
Steve Young was pushed into retirement by Jeff Garcia and Dan Marino was pushed into retirement by Damon Huard
That's the reality of the NFL.
Quarterbacks get old and teams find a replacement.
The fact that Indianapolis has the #1 pick and they owe Manning a ton of money will effectively make their decision.
Peyton Manning coming back 100% is impossible. Literally.
He may come back healthy enough to play but how long will that be? 2, maybe 3 yrs.
The Colts won't get another chance like this for years.
The Colts have a decision to make and age, money and the future of their franchise will be the deciding factors.
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