- 12/07/2011, 04:02PM ET
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 12/07, 04:02 PM
Ok, with the news of GSP being out of UFC 143 with a torn ACL and now Condit fighting Diaz for the interim title, its never too early to talk about this fight.
I'm taking Nick Diaz to win this fight. I think he's a better fighter than Condit. His boxing, ju jitsu, and cardio are all better.
As much as I respect Carlos Condit, I'm not sure how he wins this fight. I can't see him finishing Nick with strikes or a sub.
So give me Nick Diaz to become the new UFC WW Interim champ on Feb 4th.
Anyone got Condit?
MasterBatter said 12/08, 09:41 AM
Condit has knocked out his last 3 opponents and Diaz has had a tendency to start off a little slow in his last couple.
Condit is an explosive and focused fighter who has never been KO'd and has won 12 of his last 13 including 4 in a row against some great talent.
Just looking at Diaz' last 2 fights, he lost the first round to BJ and then BJ seemed to gas a little allowing Diaz to open up his striking a little more. Against Daley he got rocked bad and if Daley had been a little more patient he probably finishes that fight. I don't see Condit gassing and if he hurts Diaz he has one of the best killer instincts in MMA, he's not called the Natural Born Killer for nothing. 26 finishes in 27 wins as a pro is pretty impressive, 13 KOs and 13 subs so he can beat you anywhere.
Condit is hungry and he wants that belt. Hard to tell how focused Nick Diaz is or if he is willing to lay off the pot long enough to focus all his efforts on Condit. Condit will absolutely come in 100% prepared for Nick Diaz as is every fighter that comes out of Greg Jackson's camp. If Nick Diaz has any kind of mental lapse, Condit is more than capable of winning this fight, and finishing it as well.
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 12/08, 10:55 AM
More than capable of winning and actually winning our 2 different things.
You want to talk about Penn gassing. Penn gassed because he could not contend with the constant pressure that Diaz brought. Penn gassed because Diaz made him gas. You want to talk about Daley rocking Diaz, big deal. Nick mopped the floor with him in 1 rd.
You want to talk about winning streaks. How's 10 in a row by Nick? We can also talk about how Condit was gifted a decision over Ellenberger and needed a bad stoppage against MacDonanld to survive.
Records really do mean jack in MMA. Lets look at resume and skillset.
Diaz resume is plain better than Condits. He's fought the tougher comp in his career. More importantly though is the skillset each fighter brings with them to the cage.
BJJ? Nick is a black belt under Cesar Gracie. Condit? A purple belt. Nick has also never been subbed. Boxing? Nick trains with Andre Ward. Condit? Not so much. Cardio? Nick participates in iron man competitions for fun. The dude is a cardio monster.
Nick will outbox Condit at will, and if it somehow happens to hit the floor, Nick will put on a grappling clinic.
Diaz will wear Condit down for a 4th rd TKO.
MasterBatter said 12/08, 02:40 PM
Condit was not gifted the Ellenberger decision, that fight was basically like the Penn-Diaz fight. He lost round one and then won the next 2. The 2nd round was pretty close but Condit got the better of him and clearly won round 3. Was it close, hell yeah, but it was hardly a gift. He broke Ellenberger and everyone knows it.
Same thing in the Macdonald fight, he was losing and then dominated the 3rd getting a justified stoppage. The only reason that is argued because it happened with only 10 seconds left. Any other point in any fight, a guy has one arm pinned and is being repeatedly punched and elbowed in the face while the ref screams defend yourself, is going to be stopped without any issues.
Talking resumes?? Condit just knocked out an undefeated fighter in Kim, a guy who had never been knocked out in Hardy (who was also just coming off a championship fight), and macdonald who many have annointed a very bright young star in the UFC. Whats Diaz's signature win? A very old Penn? ufc/strikeforce reject Daley?
Diaz by TKO? Condit hasn't even been knocked down before much less knocked out. Diaz might be the better boxer, but Condit is more well rounded and has power
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 12/08, 03:34 PM
Condit hasn't been knocked down? You sure you saw the Ellenberger fight?
I seem to remember Robbie Lawler and Paul Daley never getting finished via strikes before they fought Diaz. What happened? Lawler got KTFO, and Daley got his ass whooped to the point where he was doing the stanky leg across the cage.
Off topic, Rory was defending himself and the ref stopped it with 7 seconds left when Rory was on his way to winning. Bad stoppage.
Back on track. A very old Penn? The dude is 32 and was coming off a draw vs Fitch who's the #2 WW in the world. Yet, that's not an impressive win but Condit's win over Dan Hardy who can't even win a fight makes Condit's resume better? Get real bro.
How is Condit more well rounded if Diaz has better boxing, cardio, and much better ju jitsu? That literally makes no sense. Hell, I'd even give Nick the wrestling advantage. Where is Condit better?
If it stays standing Nick has the advantage. If it goes to the ground, Nick has a big advantage. Nick will never gas even with the relentless pace he pushes, and Condit will not be able to keep up.
Simply put, Diaz is a better fighter and will prove it at UFC 143 when he finishes Condit.
MasterBatter said 12/11, 09:37 AM
Guess I lucked out with this whole time thing.
Boxing is only one tool of the trade when it comes to the stand up game. Condit is the much better kickboxer and muay-thai fighter. I don't think Diaz has this huge advantage over Condit when they are standing. Condit has more tools at his disposal and he isn't going to just stand in front of him and get punched in the face like Daley or Penn.
And why does Diaz have better cardio, just beacause he runs marathons? Condit has a pretty high motor as well and has one multiple fights recently in the 3rd round because he had much more gas in the tank then his opponent. Diaz does have great cardio, but to say its so much better then Condit's is pure speculation.
Diaz has the better BJJ, but does anyone think either of these guys is going to have this fight go to the ground. Diaz doesn't have the intelligence to make the most of his one clear advantage because he would rather get in a brawl (good for us, bad for him). Condit is just as tough and will be the more focused fighter come fight night. I see him mixing up his standup and winning the clinch game on the way to a dominant Unanimous decision.
Good TD Jim.
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