- 12/09/2011, 10:19PM ET
DJRoxalot said 12/09, 10:19 PM
Newton has been absolutely amazing in his rookie season with the Carolina Panthers. He has completed 60.8% of his passes for 275ypg, 7.98ypa, 13 TD's, 14 INT's, 82.4 Passer Rating.
He became the first player to ever throw for 400 yards in his first 2 starts.
He shattered Otto Graham's record of 346 yards (that was set back in 1950) with 422 in his first start.
He set a franchise passing record with 432 yards in his 2nd start against the defensing Super Bowl champs, the Green Bay Packers.
He has carried the ball 100 times for 518 yards, 43.8ypg, and 39 First Downs. He has 5 runs of at least 20 yards. He also set an NFL single-season record for rushing TD's for a QB with 13. He also leads all players in the NFL with 13 rushing TD's, 1 ahead of LeSean McCoy.
He has accounted for 26 total TD's.
He has done all this after being doubted by many about becoming a legit NFL QB.
Bring it. If you dare enter the realm of the recharged and reloaded TD Wh0re.
C-C-C said 12/10, 05:30 AM
Based on pure stats this can't be argued against as my opponent is well aware. Due to several factors, not all of which are his doing, Newtons stats are off the charts for a rookie QB.
Since Newton is a lock to win this award and nobody can reasonably argue otherwise (hence why it's still here 7 hours later) I'm going to add an element that should be (but usually isn't) considered when these awards are handed out.
Impact of performance
How great of a year is it when you are the leader of a team that is 4-8?
My guy wasn't the #1 overall pick, in fact he wasn't taken until the 3rd round.
My guy didn't set records in his first two games, in fact he was 3rd on his teams depth chart until week 6
My guys team started 2-3 with two nail biter wins that could have gone either way and was 31st in the NFL in rushing before my guy took over
But since then Demarco Murray has run for 800 yards in 7 games (1828 for a 16 game season) and has 954 total yards (2180 season)
Oh, and he's carried his team to a 5-2 record and 1st place, meaning his impressive by any standard performance has directly led to his team going from pretender to contender.
DJRoxalot said 12/10, 10:59 AM
"Oh, and he's carried his team to a 5-2 record and 1st place, meaning his impressive by any standard performance has directly led to his team going from pretender to contender."
He hasn't carried them to anything by himself.
The Dallas defense is 1 of the better units in the NFL. Something Cam doesn't have. Any casual football fan knows he has a horrible defense. Dallas has allowed just 17.6ppg the last 7 games. Over a full season, that would be 5th best in the League.
You know who else has played better in the last 7 games?
Tony Romo. He has completed 64% of his passes for 247.8ypg, 7.6ypa, but most importantly? He has thrown 14 TD's to just 3 INT's. He had thrown 8 TD's to 6 INT's before this 7 game stretch.
Romo has stopped turning the ball over like he did during their first 5 games. And that has led to more wins.
Murray has just 2 rushing TD's.
As opposed to 26 for Cam.
Murray has been a very nice surprise, but Newton is clearly the better choice for offensive ROY.
MTC. Good luck, C-C-C.
C-C-C said 12/10, 05:29 PM
Of course Newton is going to win the award. Everyone in the free world knows he's going to win it. If you want to do a flat stats comparison then congratulations, you started the easiest captain obvious TD in FN history.
That's why we have to use a qualifier to make this even arguable.
Of course Murray hasn't done it by himself. Aaron Rodgers hasn't won all of his games by himself. It's a team game. NOBODY does it by themself.
What Murray has provided is the running game the team was sorely missing.
In their first 5 games the Cowboys won 2.
1 was an OT game against San Fran and the other was 6 field goal game against the Redskins.
Sure, the passing game was great, but they couldn't run the ball. Period. They were ranked 31st in the NFL in rushing and on pace for another 6-7 win season.
Murray came out of nowhere and provided an offensive component that turned a mediocre team into a legitimate contender. Newton did no such thing. He combined with Smith are a two man show.
What you fail to realize is Murray's emergence is the REASON Romo has been better. Teams can't focus on the pass anymore, the play action is a legit weapon, etc.
DJRoxalot said 12/11, 10:33 AM
Easy win attempt? Because you made a homerish pick of DeMarco Murray who hasn't even started all year? Other choices: rookies Andy Dalton or AJ Green. And since you like winning for an offensive ROY, the Bengals are 7-5, same record as Dallas. It can be argued they have had a bigger impact than Murray.
Last season, Carolina averaged 258.4 total ypg (32nd), 143 passing ypg (32nd), and 12.3 ppg (32nd).
This season, they have averaged 397.6ypg (6th), 260 passing ypg (8th), and scored 24.2ppg (tied 8th).
That is a huge difference.
Cam is losing games because the defense isn't very good
They lost, 49-35 to Detroit.
They lost, 30-23 to GB.
They lost, 34-29 to Chicago.
They lost, 30-27 to NO.
Without Cam and with Jimmy Clausen? They would be competing with the Colts for the No.1 overall pick. Without Murray, the Cowboys would still win 8 games. They started 2-3 because their schedule was tough.
The Panthers defense is 21st in total ypg, 15th in passing ypg allowed, 27th in rushing ypg allowed, and 29th in ppg allowed.
Cam is the deserving player to receive the offensive ROY.
C-C-C said 12/11, 04:43 PM
There is zero doubt that Newton IS going to win the award based solely on stats. Buts let's look a little closer at your be-all end-all to everything
To say they are losing solely because of defense while Newton shares no culpability because he's been super duper awesome, is absurd.
3 interceptions against Green Bay in 7 point loss
5 interceptions in 2 losses to Atlanta
4 interceptions against Detroit in 16 point loss
Newton had more INTs in three games than Romo has all year so don't tell me the DEFENSE is the only reason Carolina is losing.
Newton started out on fire with those back to back 400yd passing games...but since?
When you get past those initial games, he's averaging a quite pedestrian 244 pass yards per game, has only reached 300 yards passing one other time and has a pathetic passer rating of 82.4 for the entire season.
Newton had two eye popping games and has done little since. His PR is directly in line with his teams record so the "it's all on the defense" argument doesn't fly.
Murray has been a catalyst to winning. Cam has been a big factor in the LOSING in Carolina.
When looking at Impact, DeMarco Murray is the ROY
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