- 12/12/2011, 09:03PM ET
kingeraaa said 12/12, 09:03 PM
Interesting TD topic.
My pick: The UFC HW champion- Junior dos Santos
I've picked Junior Cigano because he has major K.O power, is one of the best at staying on his feet, as well as accuracy due to his excellent boxing abilities.
Imagine Matt Cooke dropping the gloves and skating up to Junior! Evander(Named after the boxer) Kane one punched Cooke and knocked him out.
The EMT pulled the stretcher out for him, but it wasn't needed. If Junior was an enforcer...the stretcher would be on stand by every time he dropped the gloves!
I picked Junior due to his boxing ability, as kicking and ground game have no place here.
You have to have a big strong striker with good balance, and Junior is the man.
Now there is more to being an enforcer than just fighting, and in my next arguments I will solidify why Junior is such a great pick. I picked him in spite of his HW Champion status!
He has all the tools to be a great enforcer, and not just with his hands!
CIGANO! CIGANO! Junior would be the best enforcer if the NHL recruited from MMA!
Good Luck Schad!
Village idiot is me asking Grue 3x on how to break the tie! 3 times a charm! :)
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/13, 11:30 AM
OK, for my enforcer, I need entertainment. I need someone who will cheat, lie and do whatever it takes.
Basically, I'm looking for a bottom of a barrel sort of guy.
I'm going with, Chael Sonnen.
Let's look at this guy. He takes steroids, gets busted and lies about it. He'll cheat the system in any way, shape, or form to get ahead.
Is he the best fighter in the world? No. Probably not even close.
But, he is smaller and more agile. A big guy on skates is still just that, a big guy on skates.
Chael is a good fighter, and is really cocky, which is something I want in a fighter. I'm thinking a guy like John Wensink from "back in the day". Wensink was cocky enough to challenge the entire Minnesota North Stars bench to a fight and got no one to take up the challenge.
Junior seems like a nice guy, not the best kind of guy for an enforcer.
Chael is a dick, the perfect guy for an enforcer.
kingeraaa said 12/13, 11:21 PM
You need an enforcer....not a pest!.
Enforcers are guys that are usually big. In the NHL heavyweights rule the fight scene as compared to smaller guys, and mainly because they are smaller and are at a disadvantage(just like MMA)....because of size! Not all...but most!
This is pick the best enforcer not pest!
You describe your pick like he was Cooke, or Avery. Neither are enforcers......as they are pests! They are considered bottom feeders outside of their teams for actions on and off the ice, so you are good to go with best pest!
At is 6'4 239...JDS is the perfect size for an enforcer. BTW where is it that an enforcer has to be a loser to be effective?
Wensick did what Cloutier did as a goalie...got no takers from a scared bench.
JDS has the accuracy and balance to make every fight a good one. Perfect enforcer!
Lying, and being a loser doesn't get you credit on your team!(See Avery and Dallas) It wrecks the integrity of the game! Really? a cocky roid using liar? This no good for hockey.
Size does matter, and character means tons in and out of the dressing room! JDS has it in spades!
Junior+ NHL= ENFORCER!
Sonnen+ NHL= PEST!
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/15, 06:46 AM
I think it's a big mistake just to assume the biggest guy makes the best enforcer.
Throughout NHL history, the best enforcers weren't the biggest guys, they were the guy you didn't want to mess with. They were the guy that was a little off his rocker and was a little crazy.
Dos Santos doesn't seem that crazy or off his rocker.
Sonnen on the other hand may be the definition of crazy. Like I said, he gets caught cheating with an insane T:E ratio and somehow gets people convinced it's no big deal. There are legions of people out there that backed him even though he was guilty.
Whether he's good for hockey or not doesn't change the fact that he'd make a great enforcer. Keep in mind that one of the knocks on Avery, and Claude Lemeiux over the years is the use of The Turtle, the epic I'll fight you, oh wait, dammit, I'm screwed better cover move.
You aren't going to get that out of a crazy person. He'd probably skate into a brick wall.
Plus, having a huge guy with knees needing surgery doesn't bode well for a hockey player. His surgery is upcoming.
kingeraaa said 12/16, 02:40 AM
"OK, for my enforcer, I need entertainment. I need someone who will cheat, lie and do whatever it takes." CHEAT? LIE? He won't last in the NHL!
Chris Simon was crazy, and look where that got him!
Nobody wants a loose cannon on their team, especially one that is a known liar, "dick" and roid user.
You say he's not the greatest fighter? Why pick him? Is it just for YOUR entertainment value? The guy you describe sounds like a loser, and only has the "What's he going to do stupid next?" going for him.
The Rangers were the ONLY team that wanted Avery after his CRAZY ANTICS AND MOUTH!
Your pick is the poster child for what youDON'T want on your team!
No one will back his roid use in the NHL, and without it...he's lost that edge you give him.
JDS has to get surgery on his knee, which is not uncommon, but will be back and won the HW title in spite of the injury! That's what is called HEART...your pick has none.
Junior is the better pick due to skill set, and character. People want guys that aren't losers for their kids to look up to!
JUNIOR DOS SANTOS IS THE BETTER PICK FOR NHL ENFORCER! HANDS DOWN!
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/17, 07:32 AM
Chris Simon is a bad example, he was pretty dumb as well. At least Sonnen, while insane, isn't truly an idiot.
I stated he wasn't the greatest fighter, but the best enforcers aren't the greatest fighter, the element of fear and intimidation is huge with enforcers. He's crazy, and that adds a lot to the element of fear.
As far as Avery goes, he's played for several teams, so a lot of teams have had seen something in him in the past.
Also, knee injuries are death in hockey. Ever try and cut on a bad knee? You can't do it and it leads to an inability to stand up and skate, thus negating the ability to play hockey.
I liken a guy like Sonnen to a player like Marchand in the sense he's a player you would hate if he played for another team, but love him on your own team. There are a lot of players like that throughout the history of the NHL.
As far as "looking up to", I'm pretty sure no parent wants their kid to look up to an enforcer, it's players like Bergeron and the like that parents want their kids emulating. Players to play right, don't get involved in the elements of the game that include fighting and overcome all the odds.
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