- 12/19/2011, 09:15AM ET
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/19, 09:16 AM
For weeks you've been going on and on about how good Palmer is, how the Raiders will be much better with him, how he's a difference maker.
You've also stated that you wish the Raiders would play, for example, the Pats again with Palmer because of his greatness.
Let's look at the reality of the situation.
The Raiders are 7-7, fighting for a playoff position. That sounds ok.
The Raidahs are 3-5 with Palmer playing. 3-5!
Who has the Raiders beaten with Palmer at QB?
A Chicago team that just lost their starting QB
A Vikings team that lost AP in the 1st quarter.
A San Diego team that was slumping at the time.
Well, the Raiders must be playing elite teams then, right?
The Raiders lost yesterday to the Lions.
They got blown out by a pretty bad Miami team.
Lost to Denver at home.
Shut out by KC.
24th in QB rating, behind such elite QB's as Tavaris Jackson, Joe Flacco, and Kevin Kolb.
His TD/INT ratio is 1.3 INT's for every TD. Ouch.
He's only thrown 13 INT's. Problem is, he's only played in 8 games. He'd be on pace for 21 INT's thru 13 games. Worst in NFL.
MTC, including more stats!
DJRoxalot said 12/19, 11:49 AM
They are 3-4 with him starting. And didn't you yourself say that the team is responsible for their record? I will go find the quote in a little bit.
"Saying Tebow is 7-2 as a starter is wrong.
The Broncos are 7-2."
Did you watch the Raiders game yesterday? Carson Palmer played almost perfect game. He completed 32 of 40 passes for 367 yards (9.2ypa), with a TD and a 113.2 Passer Rating.
Most importantly, Oakland had a 27-14 lead with just under 8 minutes left in the game.
Schad: "Last week, Marion Barber was more responsible for the loss than Tebow was for the win. Add in 2 FG's for a total of 111 yards that can only happen in Denver because of the air and Tebow got all the credit, but the reality was he had very little to do with it."[/I]
The defense allowed 2 TD's in the final 5 minutes. Last I checked, Palmer doesn't play defense. So, the fumble was responsible for Denver winning, but Palmer gets the blame for the loss yesterday?
Interesting. You can't have it both ways, Schad.
Palmer does not suck. He also isn't great either. I would love for you to find a quote where I said otherwise.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/19, 12:21 PM
The such and such player doesn't play defense, so it isn't his fault argument.
Well, given how you've gone on about Palmer, I figure someone who is playing a nearly perfect game could hang onto the ball and not give it back to Detroit with just a couple of minutes back.
Guess it wasn't so perfect after all.
You went on and on about the Pats defense in 2009, but didn't draw the connection in another TD. Something about Buffalo showing how Balt would win a game using cherry picked games, then saying upsets happen, which confused me.
Welker doesn't play defense, but ball control offense runs the clock down, thus helping the defense. It's all connected.
Also, Barber had more than 1 fumble. He also ran out of bounds that stopped the clock as well.
Back to Palmer's sucking.
18th in competion percentage.
7th in yards per attempt. The only stat he's top 10 in. The rest he is either average or below average.
3-5 in games he finishes.
4-2 in games he doesn't play in.
Given all you've said about Palmer, you haven't produced anything resembling a defense for him.
Then again, Palmer doesn't play defense....
DJRoxalot said 12/19, 12:34 PM
"Back to Palmer's sucking.
18th in competion percentage.
7th in yards per attempt. The only stat he's top 10 in. The rest he is either average or below average."
18th in completion % isn't awful when you consider Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford have missed time with injuries. The Raiders have been forced to play Chaz Schilens, TJ Houshmandzadeh way too much. And they are simply 3rd string WR's.
He has steadily improved his % as he has played more and is just below 60% for the season.
He is also averaging 262ypg, 11th
7th in ypa
When the trade went down, people accused him of not being mobile, but he has only been sacked 17 times in 7 starts.
3-5 in games he finishes.
4-2 in games he doesn't play in."
The defense allowed 25.5ppg in the first games when Jason Campbell played.
They are allowing 33.1ppg the last 8 games.
Palmer has yet to play with Oakland's best offensive playmaker in RB Darren McFadden. When healthy, he is among the best RB's in the NFL. And a running game helps open up the passing lanes. That is football 101.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 12/20, 04:29 PM
Lets start with the basics:
His sack rate is still #11 in the NFL.
His rating is still low.
60% completion is still below Tavaris Jackson, so that isn't that great to start with.
According to you the sack percentage and completion rate are his positives. Sack percentage is above average, completion is below average and QB percentage is way below average. His interception rate is the highest in the NFL.
Lets look at the defense.
Excuse #1: The rate of turnover by Palmer is causing the defense to have to take the field a lot more thus causing them to have to play more minutes, making them more tired, thus giving up more points.
Excuse #2: Moore and Ford, combined, averaged 3.5 receptions a game last year. If this "dynamic duo" is what is causing Palmer to be bad, it works against you. Housh and Schilens are averaging just under this amount per game.
Excuse #3: Playing without McFadden. Calling him one of the best RB's is a stretch considering he can't even stay healthy. He's averaging about 11 games a year in his career. He can't be among the best if he can't stay healthy
Seems that you have nothing but excuses to excuse his poor performances.
DJRoxalot said 12/20, 04:49 PM
Ypa is the best stat to judge a passer because not all QB's throw the same amount of times. Some teams run more than they pass the ball. Palmer's 8.10ypa is very good.
Last year? We are talking about this year. This year, Moore caught 5 passes for 123 yards and 2 TD's. Palmer likes throwing to him as his primary deep threat.
When the trade went down, the idea was to run the ball 30-35 times a game and throw it 25-28 or so times a game. Without a running game, Palmer has been forced to throw way too much, resulting in the INT's. He has averaged 34 attempts a game.
Seriously, with McFadden and Bush, the Raiders would be able to pound the ball at an opposing defense and Palmer could do some play action and deep passes to keep the defense honest.
vs GB, 78 yards and 3.4ypc
vs Miami, 18 yards and 1.8ypc
vs Chicago, 69 yards and 2.9ypc
He has slowed down after running wild on Denver, San Diego, and Minnesota.
And what is confusing to you about not having McFadden? Michael Bush is a good RB at running between the tackles and getting the tough yards, but D-Mac is Oakland's best offensive player. And their best homerun threat.
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