- 12/19/2011, 01:48PM ET
Rudedog: Thankful said 12/19, 01:48 PM
Gilbert Arenas had a short list of teams he'd like to play for this off-season. The Knicks topped it and the Lakers were also near the very top.
With the signing of Baron Davis, the Knicks are out of the picture. Which leaves the Lakers.
This off-season, it's be quite heralded that the Lakers have failed miserably at getting CP3 and Dwight. They've made some solid signings in McRoberts and Troy Murphy, among others, but nothing too impactful.
So with the signing of Gilbert Arenas, the Lakers would be making a great move.
The biggest weaknesses for the Lakers right now are the bench. Their back-up wingman is Jason Kapono. Yeah, the Jason Kapono who has played in just 81 games over the last two seasons. He'd be an awful back-up shooting guard.
Gilbert Arenas, however, wouldn't be. He's got the range and shooting ability to be a 2-guard and provide scoring off the bench. He also could even slip into the starting PG role depending on how well he plays.
Either way, this many still has something left in the tank as he showed last year and coming to LA would be a great decision for him and for the Lakers.
DJRoxalot said 12/19, 07:26 PM
I didn't want the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul because both he and Kobe like to handle the ball a lot. Having said that, Arenas would be an awful signing for the Lakers in my opinion.
1-He has played an average of just 29 games the last 4 years.
2-He is a player who whines a lot and I just don't think he is the type of player that will fit on the Lakers, hurting the team chemistry. Plus, I am not sure Kobe would like this move at all. He isn't a true PG, he is a player that needs the ball in his hands and is very similar to Kobe. Just not as good.
3-He averaged just 8ppg in 21.8mpg with the Magic last year. He made just 34.4% of his FG's and 27.5% of his 3-pointers. He would get a similar amount of minutes in Los Angeles, around 20-23mpg. Arenas needs to go somewhere and start, getting 30-35mpg in order to revive his career, if he can.
I believe Mitch still has a trade in the works, very possibly with the Magic for Howard. I don't think Orlando wants to trade Howard while Andrew Bynum will be sitting out the first 5 games. I think a trade happens very early in 2012.
Signing Arenas very any amount would be a bad move.
Rudedog: Thankful said 12/20, 10:48 AM
I think your basing your thoughts on Gilbert from his past. He missed games for suspension as much as injuries in the past couple years. I think it's a moot point by now. He's healthy and a changed man.
But as I watched the Lakers without Kobe in the game, they looked awful. They had no flow offensively and no one to score. A mixture of Darius Morris and Jason Kapono is bad news for the Lakers bench.
It's no secret they need a scorer. With Aaron Afflalo and Nick Young both inked yesterday, that leaves one person. Gilbert Arenas HAS to be that guy.
You can say that he's selfish or demands the ball, but how much did you hear from him last year? He was on the bench on a team that got embarrassed in the playoffs where he was never more than the 3rd or 4th option offensively.
Thinking the Magic won't make a trade for Bynum because he has a 5-game suspension is stupid. It's 5 games, not half the season. The Lakers aren't making a move at this point with Orlando. It's time to move on.
And by moving on, you'll see this Lakers team needs help. Arenas is out there willing and waiting. Connect the dots
DJRoxalot said 12/20, 11:30 AM
"I think your basing your thoughts on Gilbert from his past."
When has Gil turned over a new leaf?
The guy is all about himself, even more so than Kobe. And that is saying something.
"You can say that he's selfish or demands the ball, but how much did you hear from him last year?"
Arenas has frequent knee injuries and his volatile personality is just like mixing oil and water with the Lakers locker room. It failed in Orlando because Arenas likes to dominate the ball. That is why Orlando cut him loose. Arenas and Jameer Nelson just wasn't a good match.
And you want him to play PG next to Kobe at times?
He didn't rehab correctly and just looked out of shape in Orlando. He doesn't have a great work ethic, Rude. I was wondering the same thing a week or so ago and just wouldn't want to risk signing him.
Arenas and Kobe would be a horrible matchup. Chauncey Billups would have been a much better fit if he had somehow cleared waivers.
Rudedog: Thankful said 12/21, 09:56 PM
Here's the problem with the Lakers. I don't know how to make this more clear, but the Lakers have no one coming off the bench at the 2-guard spot. Kobe's out this year, so you know who's starting? Jason Kapono. You know who his back-ups are? Gerald Green and a raw rookie in Andrew Goudelock.
That's your Lakers guards off the bench.
The Lakers are seriously one injury away to Kobe Bryant from being a lottery team. If Jason Kapono is starting on any team, they are screwed.
The Lakers PGs are Derek Fisher and Steve Blake who are old as dirt and another raw rookie in Darius Morris.
What the Lakers need is energy and scoring off the bench. I'm really not sure where all you guys are getting this "Did you see Gilbert in Orlando" crap. Yeah, I did. As the back-up PG on a team that has an absolutely dominating big man, he played well. On the Lakers, when he'd be in the game, he'd be one of the top scoring options.
I also think you guys are making assumptions based on old Gilbert Arenas. The new Arenas has openly spoken about being humbled. He knows his role on teams now and would embrace a shot at a title in LA.
DJRoxalot said 12/21, 10:13 PM
"Kobe's out this year, so you know who's starting? Jason Kapono. You know who his back-ups are? Gerald Green and a raw rookie in Andrew Goudelock."
He hurt his wrist, he isn't out for the year. He will play. Kobe has the highest threshold for pain of any player in the NBA. Remember the pinkie injury. He never had surgery. He may miss some time, but he will play.
Jason Kapono led the League in 3-point shooting in 2007-08. He made 42.8% in 2008-09. 2 years ago, he made 36.8%. Last year, he was hurt. He is just 30 and for his career, he has made 43.7% of his 3's. He may not lead the League in %, but he can play.
Gerald Green has averaged 7.5ppg for his career, including 1 season with Boston where he averaged 10ppg.
Lottery team? Seriously?
Kobe's reg season winning % when he plays=66.2%.
Lakers without him? 95 games, 60.4.
Not a noticeable dropoff at all.
Surprisingly, the Lakers have survived when Kobe has gone down to injury in the past. They focus on getting the ball to Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum more. They become a more post oriented team and with Brown's defensive scheme? They should be just fine if Kobe misses 5-6 weeks.
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