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  • 12/20/2011, 02:54PM ET

"fire, and heart"? Those are nothing but made up terms that indicate nothing where sports is concern

TheNewGuy (3-1-1) vs C-C-C (397-169-39)
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http://www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/647381-andy-reid-should-not-be-fired?c ategory_id=17

In my throwdown you talk about how "fire" and "heart" are made up terms and do not mean anything to sports.

Really? Then you go on to say that 4th quarter collapses are all about conditioning?

This is so wrong I had to call you out on it.

Think the Red Sox came back from a 3 game deficit to win the next 4 games because of conditioning? Had nothing to do with their "fire"? That they had more heart to never give up? The Yankees showed the first 3 games they had a better team with more talent but the series showed they lacked the passion and heart the Red Sox had.

Why are the 49ers doing so well this year with the exact same team that was so mediocre last year and in the past?
- Harbaugh has them excited and has created that "fire" in the locker room. This team is playing hard and with heart.

Fire: Which is the passion to never give up, that you are in every game.

Heart: The belief in your team to beat anyone and to leave everything you have on the field.

What will it take to beat Dallas?

"Miles and miles of heart." (Replacements)


What exactly does BASEBALL have to do with anything? Where did I say the Yankees collapse was tied to conditioning? My comment had to do with FOOTBALL. Specifically the Eagles penchant for running out of gas in the 4th QTR of games.

To quickly address the baseball thing, a momentum swing isn't "heart". Claiming it as such is simply people having an emotional response to an unlikely event.

You can have the most 'heart' on earth but if you don't have the talent to back it up, you aren't going anywhere. Period.

That Red Sox team was damn good. We aren't talking about the Pirates beating the Yankees here.

The Eagles are a very good, not great team that keeps falling apart in the 4th QTR. That is almost always a conditioning issue. It doesn't matter how motivated you are if your body is just flat worn out.

If we follow the 'heart' directive, then the Eagle have a ton of it in the first 3 QTRs, does it just go away in the 4th? That defies logic.

"Intangibles" can't be defined, yet you try to define them to explain things that seem inexplicable to you. Don't make it harder than it is when the actual answer is simple and easily explained.


"If we follow the 'heart' directive, then the Eagle have a ton of it in the first 3 QTRs, does it just go away in the 4th? That defies logic."

No that means that the Eagles are fine when things go well. When things start falling apart they just give up. Players who have a lot of heart don't give up. They play hard regardless of outcome and result. Randy Moss is a player who doesn't play with heart. He plays hard when he wants to.

Conditioning is not the problem with the Eagles. They have no heart and fire and that is why they don't win close games. The Eagles are a team that loses passion and the want to win. Once they get behind its all over (quicksand). They dont have the passion or heart to overcome negative things. Has nothing to do with conditioning. If it was you would see it even more throughout the year not just in spurts.

"It doesn't matter how motivated you are if your body is just flat worn out."

This is what they do for a living, they train all year for it. It's about will and passion. All the players will be tired but its about how badly you want it to give it your all.


Players who have a lot of heart don't give up.

Stay on the reservation.

The statement you made that I was questioning was that the EAGLES "have no heart" and that is why the Eagles should fire Andy Reid.

So does 'heart' reflect an individual player or is it something that can be instilled by a coach?

Conditioning is not the problem with the Eagles.

and you know this...because?

They have no heart and fire and that is why...

and you know this...because?

We have two theories here. One makes absolute perfect sense. The other is an inexplicable guess.

This is what they do for a living, they train all year for it

For some reason, you just made my argument for me.

Recall back to the lockout...

They did NOT train for it 'all year'. That's the problem. The players were left to their own devices where off season training is concerned. SOME teams a player or two took it upon themselves to help keep the team in shape. The Eagles weren't one of those teams, hence the lack of conditioning.

Did Andy Reid just forget how to coach the team up on "fire and heart"? or is it something that individuals either have or don't have?

December 20, 2011  02:55 PM ET

http://www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/647381-andy-reid-should-not-be-fi red?category_id=17

That shows this team just didn't have the fire, heart, and discipline to finish these games.Why does it show that? And what the hell is "fire, and heart"? Those are nothing but made up terms that indicate nothing where sports is concerned. 'Discipline' is only partially quantifiable, itself. There could be a much simpler explanation...conditioning. If a team is constantly getting blown off the field in the 4th QTR, that's your most likely culprit.

December 20, 2011  02:56 PM ET

I posted the throwdown and the comment above.

December 20, 2011  02:56 PM ET

Intangibles!

December 20, 2011  03:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Intangibles!

Immeasurables!

December 20, 2011  03:12 PM ET

CCC: Please clean up after yourself after you're done. We can't leave shreds of new guy laying around if we want to get our deposit back.

Thanks

December 20, 2011  03:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

http://www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/647381-andy-reid-should-not-be-fi red?category_id=17That shows this team just didn't have the fire, heart, and discipline to finish these games.Why does it show that? And what the hell is "fire, and heart"? Those are nothing but made up terms that indicate nothing where sports is concerned. 'Discipline' is only partially quantifiable, itself. There could be a much simpler explanation...conditioning. If a team is constantly getting blown off the field in the 4th QTR, that's your most likely culprit.

Your lead argument against 4th quarter conditioning collapses is the Yankess?

December 20, 2011  03:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Immeasurables!

Two sizes too small :-(

December 20, 2011  03:42 PM ET

Heart can overcome conditioning. The worst conditioned people can lift a car if their child is stuck under it. And the best conditioned people can give up if the situation turns against them. Green Bay, for example. Nobody can tell me Kansas City is better than Green Bay. But the quicksand quickly gobbled up the Packers, and they basically gave up in the 4th quarter.

December 20, 2011  03:42 PM ET
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Your lead argument against 4th quarter conditioning collapses is the Yankess?

No the example of the Yankees is about heart and fire. To say that its because of conditioning is totally negating those players who are tired but who dig deep and leave everything on the table.

December 20, 2011  03:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Two sizes too small :-(

You sure know how to destroy a guy.

December 20, 2011  03:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

You sure know how to destroy a guy.

LOL - I was talking about the Grinch! Surely your heart exceeds that chart.

December 20, 2011  03:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Heart can overcome conditioning. The worst conditioned people can lift a car if their child is stuck under it. And the best conditioned people can give up if the situation turns against them. Green Bay, for example. Nobody can tell me Kansas City is better than Green Bay. But the quicksand quickly gobbled up the Packers, and they basically gave up in the 4th quarter.

Nice example.

December 20, 2011  03:46 PM ET

Call Nancy Drew! It's the case of the Disappearing Comment.

December 20, 2011  03:47 PM ET
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Call Nancy Drew! It's the case of the Disappearing Comment.

Never mind. It's back.

December 20, 2011  03:50 PM ET
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Never mind. It's back.

Lag. Pretty bad today.

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December 20, 2011  03:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Lag. Pretty bad today.

There's another one. I'm so glad you meant "heart".

December 20, 2011  03:52 PM ET
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No the example of the Yankees is about heart and fire. To say that its because of conditioning is totally negating those players who are tired but who dig deep and leave everything on the table.

I see a quote about late game football collapses being possibly tied to conditioning.
Who ever said the Yankees collapse was about conditioning?

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December 20, 2011  03:59 PM ET
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"Fire" and "heart" are absolutely trash terms that are thrown around to make bad teams look like they are actually trying.

I like that avatar of a Dairy Queen chocolate dip cone...

...Hey, wait a minute!

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