- 12/28/2011, 03:03PM ET
DJRoxalot said 12/28, 03:06 PM
Predict the Central standings
List your standings first, argue 2nd and 3rd.
Try to get 2 changes, 1 is okay, but I would prefer arguing 2.
fvkasm2x said 12/28, 07:35 PM
For some reason, when I saw this TD I instantly thought of "Just Another Victim."
A song by House of Pain & Helmet. Interesting collaboration between rap and metal from the early 90's movie "Judgement Night" soundtrack. I'm probably dating myself with that movie...
And for fun, here is that song:
DJRoxalot said 12/29, 02:19 AM
I like the Pacers because they went out and added an excellent player in David West. Sure, they might have overpaid for him, but they made themselves the sleeper team of 2011-2012 by doing so.
West might be a tweener (too small to play PF, too slow to play SF), but they added a solid player who instantly makes them a better overall team. He is better than the PF rotation of Tyler Hansbrough and Josh McRoberts. Hansbrough comes off the bench as a backup and West provides an AS alternative at PF.
West spent the first 8 seasons in New Orleans playing 2nd fiddle to Chris Paul, averaging 16ppg and 7rpg.
The Pacers have a starting lineup of:
I think Indiana has a better starting 5.
Milwaukee's big addition was signing Mike Dunleavy.
You know the deal, Kasper. Bring it, old friend. And you better make it a good one.
You want to post irrelevant vids? I can as well. But mine is about an NCAA great that fought the good fight and lost, but taught us all about himself as he did so:
fvkasm2x said 12/29, 02:04 PM
The Pacers are going to be an improved team and could be good for years to come. But they still have to develop and need time to come together as a team.
Is nice and all, but I like a team with Bogut, Gooden, Jennings, Dunleavy and Stephen Jackson a bit better. Not by much, but I think they can beat Indiana by a few games in the standings. Say 2-5 at most.
Indiana is building more for the future and that is a smart move and one that will pay dividends eventually, but not just yet.
Look at last night for an example. They had a 17 point lead against the Raptors. The Raptors are terrible and could be the worst team in the league at the end of the year. They let that lead slip all the way down to just 2 points at one point. They held on to win by 5. If the Pacers can't hold a 17 point lead against one of the bottom dwellers, that doesn't give me much confidence in them.
I'll briefly touch on Detroit. The removal of Hamilton means more playing time for Gordon. He's a bonafide scorer, if nothing else. He didn't get much playing time last year, but will get tons now that Rip is gone.
DJRoxalot said 12/29, 08:42 PM
Building for the future? This team made the playoffs as the 8 seed last year and they improved greatly with the acquisition of West. They can win now. There is no reason they cannot.
Rallies happen. The most important thing is they won the game. That is how young teams get better. By being tested. I think you underestimate the Raptors. They have a steady PG in Jose Calderon, a solid SG in DeMar DeRozan, and a very good scorer in Andrea Bargnani. And they have a decent bench.
The Pacers have shown a renewed commitment to playing some hard nosed defense.
The Cavs have a solid nucleus with Kyrie Irving at PG, Antwan Jamison, and Anderson Varejao. They also have Tristan Thompson and Samardo Samuels off the bench. They are deep in the frontcourt and they play as a team. Not as a bunch of individuals. There is no star, but they contribute together. I know it's early, but they have 7 guys scoring in double figures.
The Pistons are just not very good. Gordon is a gunner, big deal. I think they will be right there with New Jersey and Washington as the worst teams in the League. You want to knock the Pacers for their 2-0 start, but the Pistons have looked awful.
fvkasm2x said 12/30, 05:44 PM
Yes, the future. That lineup you listed for Indiana is young and they aren't going to win NOW... so that means the future.
Do you really think Indiana can compete with CHI, OKC, Mavs or Heat day in and day out?
Don't tell me how promising Toronto is. I live in Canada, so those are the games I get more than others. I'm a Raptors fan. Their team blows, so don't piss in my cereal and tell me it's milk.
I know Detroit has struggled out the gate. But that's for one reason only, IMO. They have a new head coach. Lawrence Frank is a defense first coach and he's trying to get these guys to re-commit to defense. Detroit used to pride itself on defense. "New" guys like Gordon, Charlie V and even Stuckey don't even really know what Detroit defense is about.
Prince is still there and is one of the best defenders in the league. If the other guys can learn the system and buy in, they will come into their own and get out of the basement.
Remember when the Cavs went on the longest losing streak in decades? When was that again? Wink wink, nudge nudge. Thompson is a rookie and won't change that.
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