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- 01/12/2012, 11:49AM ET
If the colts HAVE to decide, who should they choose, Luck or Manning?
HighwayCrossingFrog said 01/12, 11:49 AM
To me, this is a no brainer..
The colts must go with Luck..
Peyton turns 36 in 2 months, plus his neck injury sounds pretty serious..
I know Peyton is one of the greatest players to have ever played the game..
But sometimes you have to know when to dump somebody, if its going to help improve you in the Long term..
Luck, potentially gives the Colts a chance not to have to worry about the QB position for the next 15 years.. You have to pull the trigger NOW..
At the most P[eyton gives you 4 more good years..
Being realistic probably 3..
And if his neck is as serious as it sounds, maybe none..
Its hard to cut a legend, but that is what must be done for the good of the organisation..
DetroitFan2255 said 01/12, 09:19 PM
The Colts will know if his neck is good to go or not, well atleast more than we will. But here is why I say keep Manning for atleast another year.
Yes Luck has everyone saying he is NFL ready and can step in and start. But some debated whether Luck should be #1 or Barkley. Barkley has to come out next year. The Colts could give Peyton another year and trade up for Barkley. Like what was said before you know what Manning brings to the table, you don't know about Luck. Here are some numbers to look at.
Player TD/Int Yards Conf
Luck Stan 37/10 3517 Pac-12
Barkley USC 39/7 3528 Pac-12
Jones OU 29/15 4463 Big-12
Wilson Ark 24/6 3638 SEC
Thomas Org 33/7 2761 Pac-12
These are next years seniors. I do not see where Luck rises above everyone else. Barkley had better numbers in the same conference. I'm not saying he isnt't going to be good but next year is a deep draft. Why not let Manning give one more year and if it doesn't work out you know there are QB's available. Then you give him the HC job.
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HighwayCrossingFrog said 01/13, 02:08 PM
Interesting argument..
I can see why its hard to let go of a legend..
The only problem with your argument, is that getting Luck is an automatic deal this year..
Next year with Peyton Manning at the helm, they will probably have a winning record, which would make things difficult to get a good QB..
I guess Matt Flynn would be an option too..
But the main problem with your opinion, is that if they dont get Luck..
And Manning hurts his neck again.. Then you have to go through another 2 win season..
Then Colts fans will sCream bloody murder.. And the GM will get fired, cause he had an excellent chance to get a highly thought of, potentially great QB in Luck..
When you look back on your life, you dont want to have any regrets, where you were in a situation, whereyou did not pull the trigger..
By not going after Luck, I know the Colts will live to regret their decision..
Last year was just too painful, and they really dont want to go through another nightmare season..
DetroitFan2255 said 01/13, 08:42 PM
Yes the fans want/need a winning season, I know all about this. But look at all the problems the Colts had this year. They lost so many games for a few reasons, Peyton being #1, they ranked 16th in sacks allowed and 22nd in QB hits allowed. You can't let your QB get hit that much. I say trade the pick and shore up the OL to go with your picks from last year. If you can't protect Luck he will be usless.
Out of Luck's 10 Ints 9 of them came when the game was withing 7 pts and teams were blitzing. He panics under pressure and makes bad desicions with the ball.
Granted there is no promise of getting Barkley but his numbers are far better in the same situation. Out of his 7 Int only 1 of them came when the game was within 7 pts. Barkley handles pressure situations better.
And lets face it if the Colts dont improve that OL there will be pressure. And teams wont need to blitz to do it. Get players to go along with Costanzo and Ijalana. Protect your investment. If Peyton can stay healthy you will have a winning season and if not you have a good QB ready to be drafted. If Luck is as good as stated then they can get multiple picks and improve the whole team, not just one position.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 01/14, 11:33 AM
Ok, stacking up the O LINE is always important..
And I respect your philosophy..
Me? I would rather pull the trigger on luck now..
It's slot harder to find a real deal quality QB than it is to find a great blocker that you can plug into the O LINE..
To me.. First you get the most important piece of the puzzle,
And then you build around it..
Look at Miami fins..
They have still been searching got that great qb,
Ever since Marino left..
That was over 10 years ago!
A lot of number one drafts turn out to be successes..
It's worth the roll of the dice in my opinion..
Luck is a pure pocket passer..
Petrine father said luck would be able to start in the NFL right away..
That's a pretty big compliment..
All dynasty's/empires have their moment in the sun..
And then they move on..
It's very sad, but it's time to move on with Peyton..
Good Luck, luck, ha ha!
Suck for luck is almost as good as gay for pay:)
DetroitFan2255 said 01/14, 09:35 PM
I've never been a fan of putting a rookie QB into a starting role. Everyone thinks that Luck will step in and be a 10-12 game winner his first year. I dont see that happening.
Rookie QBs typically do not come in and do well. Roethlisberger holds the record for most wins by a rookie QB with 13 but look at the team he had around him. Flacco won 10 games his rookie year, again look at the team around him. Peyton came in and won 3 games....I repeat 3 games as a rookie. Peyton didn't have a great defense you need to win games as a rookie, niether would Luck. You say the Colts need a winning season and I agree, but they won't get it with a rookie QB at the helm.
Now if they do draft Luck they need to figure out a way for him to sit behind Peyton for a few year. Much like Rodgers did behind Farve. This is why i say trade the pick to a team that already in a rebuilding stage that is in need of a qb such as Miami (just an example). See if you can get Long and their 1st and maybe 2nd round pick. You get a better OL and you still get to draft a decent QB to sit behind Peyton such as Keenum, Moore, Weeden, Tannehill, Cousins. Not as good but would be willing to sit a year or 2.
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