Views
642
Comments
149
  • 01/20/2012, 03:05PM ET

Douglas Maicon is a better right back than Dani Alves.

J11: RIP (7-6-1) vs Bundesliga or Bust (2-4-1)
5
Votes
8
Votes
5
Votes
8
Votes


Now, to be clear, two years ago this wouldn???t even be a question. I???m not going to deny that Maicon has lost a step or two in the past year. I still say he???s a better right back than Dani Alves.

Of course, we???re talking about the top two right backs in the world and their both Brazilian, but what else is new?

Reasons I give it to Maicon:

He???s better ??? much better I would say ??? defensively than Alves. And the number one priority of a right back is defense.

He???s more physical than Alves. Alves may be faster, but Maicon is a beast and beat you with both speed and strength.

His tactical understanding of the game is superior to Alves. He???s almost never out of position.

Yes. Alves is probably better offensively. His speed allows him to bomb down the flank better than Maicon, he can cross better, and he can dribble better. But Maicon still contributes offensively and can score some amazing goals.

I say Maicon is a better right back than Dani Alves, though I acknowledge it's close.


Ok, so for my first argument - as you have already hinted at - I will show that Alves is the offensive player.

Here are some quick stats on these two:
This year, League
Player A: 0 goal, 7 assists
Player B: 1 goal, 4 assists

Last year, League
Player A: 2 goals, 15 assists
Player B: 1 goal, 8 assists

all club competitions 2010 - 2012
Player A: 4 goals, 30 assists
Player B: 4 goals, 16 assists

When you are getting about 15 assists per year (league only) you are going to be among the top 10 in assists in the league; Daniboy is current 3rd in la Liga.

I would like to know where you see that Dani Alves is defensively deficient. Their team stats certainly wouldn't show it:

Barca: 9 goals conceded
Inter: 19 goals conceded (same number of games)

I know you're telling me Maicon is better defensively, but is there anything that you can point to which would prove it? I think no.


Dani Alves does not need to contribute defensively because Barca already has Puyol and Pique at centerback and a midfield of Busquets, Xavi, and Iniesta. Barca's total of goals conceded has more to do with passenaccio than Alves' talents as a right back.

Maicon plays on a team that currently has about half the talent of Barcelona and the Tinkerman as a coach - that speaks for itself.

In essence, Dani Alves is a system right back. He excels in Barca's system because his defensive inadequacies are covered up by the rest of the team and Barca needs him more as a ride sided midfielder adding width to their attack than as someone who plays defense.

On other teams - such as Brazil -his defensive abilities get exposed. In fact at the 2011 Copa America, Alves was named the starter based on his play at Barcelona but was replaced after two games by Maicon for just this reason.

Soccer statistics are weak in this area, but my eyes tell me everything I need to know about Maicon being better defensively than Alves.


OK, gotcha, so you personally think that Maicon is the better defensive player. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't; though you certainly haven't proven it. And certainly this wouldn't speak to the overall ability of both.

But one wonders if Maicon is overly rough as a defender - much in the same way Pepe is. Is he a card liability perhaps?

Maicon: 10 league games played, 3 yellow cards
Dani Alves: 17 games played, 2 yellow cards.

But let's talk recognition and achievement. I won't mention the additional titles that Dani Alves has because those really are team achievements. But UEFA conveniently has a Team of The Year. Their most current selection was for Dani Alves, who was selected for a third time. Maicon has featured for this prolific team only once (or as many times as Gianluca Zambrotta).

Also, Dani Alves is much more durable than Maicon.

Here are how many games each has missed from league play since the beggining of the 2010 campaign:

Maicon: 18 league games missed
Alves: 4 games missed

Also, it should be noted that this would be skewed to Maicon's favor. Since Barca are involved in more tournaments for longer, Dani Alves would be more likely to get rested


A good defender will naturally accumulate some yellow cards. One who makes very literal effort to play defense will avoid fouls by rarely attempting to make tackles. Alves is more likely to get his yellows for diving.

I have proven that Maicon is a better defender using ancedotal evidence. Your argument amounts to Alves plays for the better team therefore he is a better defender. That does not fly.

Maicon was injured for a period of time in 2011. This does not by itself make Alves a better right back.

Alves plays well for one team. He looks good because of the specific system used by Barcelona. On any other team, we'd be discussing him as a player that needs to be transferred from right back to right wing. Except that's already happens several times for Brazil.

Of course, every time Alves is given the starting spot for Brazil due to his play with Barca, he loses it back to Maicon in a matter of games.

I think I'll trust the actual coaches needing wins above a bunch of UEFA journalists overwowed by offensive ability and never get defensive calls right.


Proved by anecdotal evidence? What non-UN country do you live in?

The best defender in the world Thiago Silva (as recognized by both of us) has accumulated 1 yellow card in all competitions in the 2011-present campaign. So your point about yellow cards being a positive sign for Maicon is questionable at best.

Even aside from the UEFA team of the year selection, in the Ballon D'or Voting, Dani Alves received 4 votes. Maicon and I were tied with 0.

You have used 0 numbers in your arguments. I have proven conclusively using cold hard statistics that Dani Alves is
- a better attacker
- more durable
- more internationally acknowledge
- and contributes to a better defense

How is it that Maicon is better?

If all evidence points to Dani Alves being the more effective player it's ridiculous to excuse Maicon in all aspects. Here is your argument in a nutshell:
- Better offense? Doesn't matter
- Voted to an allstar team? Voters are idiots
- Better defensive numbers? Better teammates
- Plays less? Doesn't matter, he was injured, which doesn't matter

Here is the master defender Maicon:

January 20, 2012  03:25 PM ET

It's going to be a really hard vote. Left copied all of his info from Wikipedia and Right is a notorious dupe. Choices....

January 20, 2012  03:28 PM ET

One thing I've already learned from the TD is that Maicon's first name is Douglas. I honestly thought he only had one name. Like a Madonna.

January 20, 2012  03:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

One thing I've already learned from the TD is that Maicon's first name is Douglas. I honestly thought he only had one name. Like a Madonna.

It's been alleged he was named after Michael Douglas. I think it is National Enquirer type rumor.

January 20, 2012  03:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

One thing I've already learned from the TD is that Maicon's first name is Douglas. I honestly thought he only had one name. Like a Madonna.

He actually has 3 names, Douglas Sisenando Maicon

January 20, 2012  03:35 PM ET

I will hold my vote until I hear from MED....

January 20, 2012  03:36 PM ET

It should be noted Inter has kept their 3rd straight clean sheet, and RDog cant really expect to put team goals conceded on one player?

January 20, 2012  03:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

He actually has 3 names, Douglas Sisenando Maicon

I had a cat named Sisenando once.

January 20, 2012  03:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

It should be noted Inter has kept their 3rd straight clean sheet, and RDog cant really expect to put team goals conceded on one player?

You are right; they cannot be. But if Dani Alves was defensive liability, then it MAY show up in team stats. But it does not appear to as far as I can tell.

January 20, 2012  03:41 PM ET

Yeah boiii I see we are conversing on here now sweeet.

January 20, 2012  03:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

You are right; they cannot be. But if Dani Alves was defensive liability, then it MAY show up in team stats. But it does not appear to as far as I can tell.

That's a poor statistical view. Unless you watch the games and can prove who was at fault for each goal conceded, net goals against has to be viewed as a team stat, midfield and keeper included.

January 20, 2012  03:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

That's a poor statistical view. Unless you watch the games and can prove who was at fault for each goal conceded, net goals against has to be viewed as a team stat, midfield and keeper included.

My point essentially is that other than "you just have to watch them", there is not much proof that Maicon is better defensively than Alves. At least not yet, we'll see what J11 puts up.

January 20, 2012  03:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

It's been alleged he was named after Michael Douglas. I think it is National Enquirer type rumor.

Kinda like Michael Keaton.... had to go by another name.

January 20, 2012  03:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

It should be noted Inter has kept their 3rd straight clean sheet, and RDog cant really expect to put team goals conceded on one player?

Well, if J11 wants to open the door that Maicon is defensively superior....


Does that mean that Zanetti is defensively inferior?!?!?!?

January 20, 2012  03:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

My point essentially is that other than "you just have to watch them", there is not much proof that Maicon is better defensively than Alves. At least not yet, we'll see what J11 puts up.

You already know that CU Tiger is voting for Maicon, so let it go. You have to be calm.

January 20, 2012  03:52 PM ET

By the way, maybe Marco Reus is the best player in the world. BM is destroying Bayern.

January 20, 2012  03:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

By the way, maybe Marco Reus is the best player in the world. BM is destroying Bayern.

Team in decline?

Is he the one going to Dortmund?

January 20, 2012  03:53 PM ET

So are we bailing on today's normal programming for a TD? And if so, double splatter?

January 20, 2012  03:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

By the way, maybe Marco Reus is the best player in the world. BM is destroying Bayern.

When I was really into watching MBradley I would get to see Reus a bunch. I liked him because my Catalan roommate in spain was from a town called Reus. You could certainly tell he had skill.

January 20, 2012  03:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

So are we bailing on today's normal programming for a TD? And if so, double splatter?

You already voted for J11 after one argument? You're a **** ****, you really are.

 
January 20, 2012  03:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

You already know that CU Tiger is voting for Maicon, so let it go. You have to be calm.

It is complicated, it's natural.

Comment

Remember to keep your posts clean. Profanity will get filtered, and offensive comments will be removed.


Leaderboard

  Fan W L T Win %
1 Darth Maim 76 21 7 76.4%
2 fvkasm2x 193 58 12 75.7%
3 7#bag _ Com 996 338 73 73.4%
4 HOOTZ 33 14 9 67.0%
5 Marlins Fan 156 78 31 64.7%
6 Argos. 183 101 29 63.1%
7 Goodell 2.0 643 429 71 59.4%
8 J-Business 78 66 18 53.7%
9 Highway... 175 847 63 19.0%

The Si.com Cover Hub Go to the Cover Hub

Truth & Rumors

MOST POPULAR

  1. 1
    Irving: Fans don't deserve the Cavs
    Views
    19538
    Comments
    683
  2. 2
    D'Antoni's newest 'blunder'
    Views
    951
    Comments
    534
  3. 3
    Red Sox dodged two injury scares
    Views
    3324
    Comments
    504
  4. 4
    Baseball's top 2015 free agent
    Views
    1074
    Comments
    284
  5. 5
    Trump taking a legit run at the Bills
    Views
    2720
    Comments
    109

Throwdowns

Most Active Users

Comments + Blog Posts + Throwdowns

  1. 1
    Robataille
  2. 2
    ~Mother-Marge~
  3. 3
    TxHeat
  4. 4
    buddhaa.luck
  5. 5
    Deep Creek

Blogs