- 01/24/2012, 10:41AM ET
HighwayCrossingFrog said 01/24, 10:41 AM
paterno will go down in history more for the football..
I love the guy, and I miss him already..
I know the scandal was bad..
And its still fresh in peoples minds..
But paterno accomplished things most people can only dream of..
he always had a pleasant demeanour..
and inspired thousands of college kids to be great men..
Time heals most wounds..
people in time will forgive paterno..
he was not a hitler or a manson..
he was somwone that made a tragic error..
he was not like one of the catholic priests..
his last 2 months on earth were filled with regret..
that should be sufficient punishment..
People who still point the finger, need to let it go..
Sunday was a sad day, we lost a true leader..
it was cute that he died on one of footballs biggest days..
it was what he wanted.. Some things are meant to be..
the people who will remember you badly are punks,
WHILE YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A LEGEND!!!!
Mr. Jolly said 01/24, 12:15 PM
First, let me direct you all to Comment #3 from my friend and PSU fan, Grue. It's a strong comment from a fan base that I'm sure has found difficulty making a path thru 2011.
As for the TD, it's my belief that the scandal has forever changed Paterno's legacy.
Considering the size/scope of that legacy being largely based on football prior to the scandal, it has to be noted the magnitude that a scandal would have to be to even put this to debate.
While I choose to remember Paterno for the positives that he brought forward with his life (far too many to list in 1200 characters), there is no way that his story will be brought forward in the future without the shadow of how it ended.
History, often, remembers somebody's faults/mistakes/failures more than their achievements, especially if the shock value is higher than we're accustomed to.
While Paterno is by far not the only individual involved in this scandal, it was his accomplishments that made him the face of PSU football. The price for that is that you're also the face of it thru good/bad, regardless of your role played in it.
Time will soften the shock of the scandal, but it won't subtract its part of the story.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 01/24, 07:42 PM
"we live in a world, where everyone steals.."
Jesus christ, one of the most brilliant humans died on the cross..
meanwhile oj simpson lives a life we can only dream of..
Joe was senile..
if your grandpa made a tragic error.. It happens..
Born in sin come on in..
I am a sinner..
I forgive joe..
Mr. Jolly said 01/25, 09:53 AM
When the PSU scandal broke, there were many times where I found myself having to explain to people who Joe Paterno was.
That came to mind while pondering this 2nd argument and I want to explore it.
NCAAF is largely an American interest, so we'll stick with the US.
There are currently 313 million people in this country.
We'll subtract 63 million who are 14 years and under, giving us 250 million.
I think it's generous to say that a third of that gives any serious attention to NCAAF (83 million).
That leaves us with about 167 million people.
Out of that group, one can only guess how many people learned of who Joe Paterno was thru watching the fallout of the PSU scandal, but I promise you it was more than it would've been only 15 years ago.
* 24 Hour News Stations
Now add a portion of the 63 million who are 14 and under who will not have the luxury of enjoying Paterno's legend prior to the knowledge of the scandal. Not to mention anybody born from that point and into the future.
Not to mention that this scandal isn't going anywhere soon. We still haven't concluded Sandusky's fate.
In this case, any press is bad.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 01/25, 08:12 PM
While I do think Penn state should fry..
Patterno is senile..
He was good at a couple of things, like football..
Senile people are good at a couple of things in the past..
Pattern got fired, public humiliation and had a rough death bed..
Time to move on..
You are crucifying the wrong guy..
A priest once told me,
That wheneveryone dies, they all go to heaven..
Time to move on folks..
You put pattern on the burner..
Then put me too..
It was a horrible tragic error..
"I want my Fu-c--king life back"
Mr. Jolly said 01/26, 09:37 AM
There have been several cases where a notable person has been able to escape the stigma of negative actions or connections after a significant amount of time has gone by.
In Paterno's case, this will be more difficult because so many of the facets of his legacy will be difficult to discuss without eventually running into the scandal.
Aside from all the victories and national titles, much of Paterno's legacy was built off of his accomplishments outside of the football field. It's in these areas where the shadow of the scandal will continue to breathe in the future.
* Paterno coached the "right" way by graduating his players and emphasizing life lessons thru continued support and by example.
It will be impossible to discuss this now without bringing up the fact that when faced with a radically disturbing situation that had the ability to shake up his school's foundation, many will continue to believe he failed.
Many will simply view it as: when faced with a situation that pit his school/friends' reputation versus the well being of others, he failed to make the right or "moral" decision.
Doesn't matter if that view is right, just that is exists.
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