- 01/24/2012, 05:35PM ET
Dyhard said 01/24, 05:35 PM
The year that I'm selecting is 1966. Some notable players that were born this year was Curt Schilling, Tim Wakefield, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Wetteland, Sandy Alomar, Jose Mesa, Mike Timlin, Moises Alou and Larry Walker.
If you look at what this birth year was, it was the year of the pitcher. Schilling ended up playing 20 seasons and finished his career with a 3.46 ERA and is a definite Hall of Fame candidate. Greg Maddux is a for-sure Hall of Famer and Tom Glavine is pretty damn close to a Hall of Famer, if not is going to be one. Wakefield is still pitching today and still doing a pretty good job with his knuckleball, which is amazing. For those of you who don't know who John Wetteland is, he was a closer who pitched for 12 years and recorded 330 saves. Jose Mesa played for 19 years and collected 321 saves.
Moving over to the offensive side of this year, Moises Alou & Larry Walker are the top two candidates and you can't forget Sandy Alomar nor do you want to turn a blind eye to Jeff Conine. Walker is a close Hall of Famer, Moises Alou finished his career with a .300 BA, Conine played a solid 17 seasons and Alomar was a damn good catcher.
BM. said 01/25, 10:04 AM
My choice will be: 1963.
Notable players born in this year:
You have a lot of good pitchers, but 1963 has provided a much better mix of talent.
I have great pitchers, and great hitters.
Randy Johnson. One of the all-time great strikeout pitchers, Johnson led the league in strikeouts nine times. At 10.8 strikeouts per nine innings, he has the highest strikeout rate in history. He is widely regarded as one of the best pitchers in MLB history.
David Wells and David Cone also had great careers.
For hitting, I have the former home run king in Mark McGwire. Edgar Martinez, who is one of the best DH's of all time. Cecil Fielder, another home run hitter. Fred McGriff and Lenny Dykstra.
I know that some of them have been accused of steroid use after their careers, but they were some of the best hitters of their time.
You've got me on the pitching side, but I have a much better balance, and my hitting is MUCH better.
1963 > 1966
Dyhard said 01/25, 04:37 PM
While your side does have better hitting, my pitching is so much better than your pitching that the slightly better hitting on your side doesn't make a difference. And, when you look at your team, you have one major steroid user in Mark McGwire and you have a player who was accused by an ex-teammate in Edgar Martinez. My team doesn't have any of that, which sets my team apart.
My team excelled at what they did by fair play while your best hitter, McGwire, was one of the biggest steroid users of the time and accomplished what he did by cheating. I picked a year that didn't have a steroid user, while apparently you think cheating is acceptable. It hurts your team dramatically, in my opinion.
While Randy Johnson was a great pitcher, I think the duo of Greg Maddux & Tom Glavine top Randy Johnson. If you add in Schilling and Wakefield, and I have a strong core of pitchers. I also have Wetteland, Mesa & Timlin as closers.
While home run hitting is nice and dandy, I have Larry Walker to hit home runs but also could get on base. Sandy Alomar & Moises Alou were also very good at getting on base, which is the ultimate goal. OBP > HRs.
BM. said 01/26, 10:05 AM
Having a balance of talent in all areas absolutely makes a difference, in my opinion. This TD is about the best birth year for BASEBALL PLAYERS, not just pitchers. I have pitchers and hitters, hence all bases are covered by the year that I chose.
I had a feeling that you would attempt to discredit Mark McGwire based on steroids alone. In my opinion, his steroid use is irrelevant. Mark McGwire was the greatest thing since sliced bread in the sports world for 5 straight years where he hit no less than 52 HR's, and 60+ HR's 3 times, and 70 HR's in 1998. He also hit 49 home runs in his rookie year en route to a ROY title, and over the next 5 years he hit 30+ HR's 4 times, and he wasn't even using steroids then.
Being accused of steroid use is meaningless, so there goes your argument about Martinez. Every decent hitter is accused of using/once using steroids nowadays. Martinez was an EXCELLENT hitter
Obviously, you have me beat in the pitching department. But I would take Johnson, Wells, and Cone along with a very solid hitting core any day of the week.
Like I said, 1966 was a better year for pitching alone, but 1963 was a better birth year for baseball players.
Dyhard said 01/26, 02:12 PM
You are ignoring the three significant hitters that were born in 1966 in Larry Walker, Moises Alou and Sandy Alomar. The best thing about these three players is that they not only played the game fair, but they were very good players and could both get on base as well as hit for power. You cannot say discredit my year because it is pitcher dominated. Last I checked, pitchers are players.
His steroid use is definitely relevant. When you talk about all his power, his big home run years (especially his HR race with Sammy Sosa) was all steroid injected. Could he have been a great player without steroids? I think he could've, but since he used steroids, I can't take what he did all that seriously and his accomplishments are definitely downgraded because of that. Without steroids, he would have never hit 50+ HRs in a season, and I'm confident in that.
Edgar Martinez was a great player, you can't discredit that. But, he doesn't help your list's hitting so much that it takes away how great my pitchers were over their careers. I'd say that my year has 3-4 HOF players while your year only has 2. My year has a better core of players and doesn't involve cheating.
BM. said 01/27, 10:10 AM
I'm sorry, but Walker, Alou, and Alomar's hitting in no way make up for the fact that your birth year is loaded with pitchers. Yes, you have Schilling, Maddux, and Glavine, but I feel that Cone and David Wells were better pitchers than Wetteland, Mesa, Timlin, and Wakefield.
So the gap in talent for our pitching isn't even close to being as big as you make it seem. Johnson is the best pitcher in this TD, obviously. He was better than all the pitchers on your list, and my other two pitchers are better than 4 of your pitchers. It's quite close actually.
But the major difference, as I've said, rears it's head in the hitting department. Walker, Alou, and Alomar were great hitters, but they don't even hold a candle to McGwire, Caminiti, McGriff, Martinez, Fielder, Dykstra, O'Neill, and Bonilla. My hitting destroys your hitting.
You say that all of McGwires big HR years were steroid induced. It's simply not true. As I've said, he hit 49 in his rookie year, and less than 30 only one time over the next 5 years. He was not on steroids at this time. He was a great HR hitter without the roids.
In conclusion, you have the slightly better pitching, but I destroy for hitting.
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