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  • 01/28/2012, 12:50AM ET

Kevin Love or Blake Griffin? Pick one to build around for the next ten years.

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There are a lot of similarities between these two players.

Love is 23, Griffin is 22. Love is 6 foot 10, 260 pounds. Griffin is 6 foot 10, 251 pounds. Both average exactly 11.9 rebounds per game for their career. Both average exactly 0.6 blocks per game for their career.

So which one of these guys would you pick first, if given the option of selecting one or the other in an effort to build a 10 year dynasty?

I'm going with Kevin Love.

For one thing, Griffin has some issues regarding the durability of his body. He sustained a bad right knee injury in college in a game against Texas A&M, and then he injured his left knee in a preseason game of what was supposed to be his rookie season. That left knee injury forced him to miss the entire 2009-2010 season.

Injuries to both knees aren't neccesarily the kiss of death, but there is another factor to consider:

Griffin's game is based around explosiveness. He doesn't have a jumper to speak of, and almost all of his offense comes around the basket, where his extraordinary athleticism gives him a major advantage.

Love, on the other hand, can shoot the ball like crazy and will age much more gracefully.


Interesting comparison.
While Love is a very good player, I believe that Griffin has a much greater upside

Love will lead his team to the playoffs consistently throughout his career, but Griffin has the potential to compete for titles

If you're going to build your team around a player, why not go for it all?

Although Griffin is very athletic, he also has a very good post game and can finish with either hand near the basket.

Griffin has also shown a greater ability to be able to drive to the basket which is essential in becoming a truly dominate big man.

Being able to shoot is good but it history shows that great teams have big men who pound it down low and go for high percentage shots

Griffin is shooting above .500%
Love - .458%

High percentage points in the paint is what wins titles

With NBA title teams, you don't want your 6'11 power forward taking a 3 pointer in the 4th qtr.

You want to give it to him down low, so that he goes for the shot and either makes it or gets fouled.

Both are great players but give me the one who will potentially bring a title

That's Blake Griffin


Love will lead his team to the playoffs consistently throughout his career, but Griffin has the potential to compete for titles

Based off what?

You're saying the fact that Love can make jumpshots somehow means the Timberwolves can do no better than contend for a mere playoff spot?

And Griffin's athleticism means the Clippers have a chance at the title?

I don't follow your reasoning.


I'd say Griffin's team is more prepared for a title run right now but I don't see how that has any bearing on a head-to-head comparison of Love and Griffin.

A comparison of the two players shows Love as a shooter with tremendous rebounding capabilities and Griffin as a dunker with a decent post game. And that's where Griffin's knee injuries might be a factor. All that banging around down low and jumping and whatnot could lead to a nasty injury, as his season ending stress fracture proved in 09-10. That injury came while landing after a dunk, which showed that his athleticism can also be his downfall.



With NBA title teams, you don't want your 6'11 power forward taking a 3 pointer in the 4th qtr.

Tell that to Dirk.


Interesting point about Griffin being a dunker
But let's look a bit deeper

According to the statistics, last season Griffin averaged an amazing 2.4 dunks per game
Yes, that's it - 2.4

Which means out of the 22 pts a game he's averaging, only 5 pts come from dunks
I know you're just referring to the SportsCenter highlights which makes it seem that's all he does
But in reality, most of his points come in the paint off of putbacks, spin moves and other post moves

Griffin is an excellent down low post player and this is the key to challenging for an NBA title
With the exception of Jordan, that's the history of the NBA
Shaq
Duncan
Karl Malone
Robinson
Olajuwon
Moses Malone
Kareem

W/o Shaq, Kobe needed Gasol and even Larry Bird had McHale and Parrish putting up decent numbers

Dirk got his ring once Tyson Chandler came along and became a offensive threat in the paint

Many analysts even say the reason why Duncan has had a more successful career than Garnett is because his post game was more reliable during the playoffs, than Garnett settling for a 20 footer

The bottom line is that having your PF shooting 3's in nice
But it will not win a team title


Your attempts at minimizing Griffin's dunk rate fall short a bit, because you can throw whatever number you want out there but it doesn't change the fact that he led the NBA in dunks last year... his game is based on athleticism around the hoop, and no matter how you try to spin it, he will not age sa gracefully as a shooter like Kevin Love.

Griffin is like Kemp or someone like that; someone whose value diminishes rapidly once his body gets older, and considering Griffin's injury problems, that decline just might happen sooner rather than later. Dunks, putbacks, post moves... they all fade as the body ages. Sad, but true.

Also, you bring up Duncan, but as a Spurs fan I can tell you this most assuredly - Duncan was successful so often because of his bank shot. It's the patented Duncan move. Kevin Love compares to Duncan much better than Griffin does. As I said, Griffin is more like Kemp, and we all know how unsuccessful his career was. Although he did have a lot of kids. I'll give him that. But he didn't win rings.

And all the bug guys you mentioned who were successful, just what does that have to do with this TD? We're not comparing team achievements.


Comparing Griffin to Shawn Kemp?

Leave aside the weight issues and numerous offspring, Shawn Kemp was a pretty good ball player who competed for NBA titles.

At the peak of his career he averaged 18 pts, 11 rebs
His career high avg is 20 pts a game which came in his 9th season, so Griffin has bested that.

Kemp went to an NBA Finals and pushed the Bulls to 6 games
He also lead his team to 4 division titles

The point about Griffin's game in the paint is because this is where his strength comes from

As he develops, his coaches and management will bring in experts to help solidify that part of his game because that's where he gets his points.

You talk as if Griffin will fall apart because he can't dunk anymore

He's a dominant player in the paint and it goes beyond dunking
There are dozens of big guys in the NBA who can jump out of the gym

Griffin is good because establishes great position in the paint and can move with and without the ball

If I'd make a comparison, I'd say Griffin reminds me of a young Karl Malone

Overall if a team wants to compete for a title, Griffin is that player

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January 28, 2012  01:20 AM ET

Was going to do this topic, i agree with what you are saying

January 28, 2012  07:35 AM ET

Griffin is shooting above .500%
Love - .458%

half a percentage in the paint? That must be some kind of record.

January 28, 2012  09:42 AM ET

Love this topic.

See what I did there?

January 28, 2012  10:55 AM ET

Love has a very good game and will always post good numbers but lets be honest about this, Kevin Love is just too vanilla. I personally dont think he can motivate his teammates if you choose to build around him. Minnesota is lucky that they now have Rubio to excite the team and Love to do the trenches work... Dont get me wrong I think he is a great player but to build around, I would have to go with Griffin.

January 28, 2012  12:35 PM ET

Both are great players and I can see both doing well with right supporting cast. It all comes down to what do you want to watch, flash or fundamentals? I gave also noticed that the Blake Show has developed into a "flipper", perfect for LA.

January 28, 2012  12:44 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Both are great players and I can see both doing well with right supporting cast. It all comes down to what do you want to watch, flash or fundamentals? I gave also noticed that the Blake Show has developed into a "flipper", perfect for LA.

*Damn auto spell iPhone.

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January 28, 2012  01:47 PM ET

"Having your PF shoot 3's is nice, but it won't win you a title."

Well JB, I think the Dallas Mavericks will disagree with you. He spaces the floor and causes matchup problems with other bigs.

January 28, 2012  02:17 PM ET
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"Having your PF shoot 3's is nice, but it won't win you a title." Well JB, I think the Dallas Mavericks will disagree with you. He spaces the floor and causes matchup problems with other bigs.

1 PF out of 40 years in the NBA does it and all of a sudden it's a formula?

January 28, 2012  02:28 PM ET
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"Having your PF shoot 3's is nice, but it won't win you a title." Well JB, I think the Dallas Mavericks will disagree with you. He spaces the floor and causes matchup problems with other bigs.

Also, if you want to use Dirk as an example, earlier in his career he averaged 4 three pointers a game. Last season he averaged 2 a game.

January 28, 2012  02:28 PM ET
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I've always wondered why your name is Paq Barrio Pride. You know Pacquiao is Filipino, and not Mexican, right?

Do you have a point? You do know that Spain ruled over both territories right?

January 28, 2012  02:39 PM ET

Kevin Love is a career 82% free throw shooter...Blake Griffin is a career 62.1% free throw shooter, and shooting just over 50% from the line this year...Advantage Love because he can be a 4 quarter player...do the Clippers pass the ball to Griffin late with a small lead and hope he doesn't get fouled? Love can be a go to guy in the 4th quarter...Griffin is limited

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January 28, 2012  02:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Both are great players and I can see both doing well with right supporting cast. It all comes down to what do you want to watch, flash or fundamentals? I gave also noticed that the Blake Show has developed into a "flipper", perfect for LA.

*Damn iPhone
"flopper"

January 28, 2012  02:59 PM ET
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Kevin Love is a career 82% free throw shooter...Blake Griffin is a career 62.1% free throw shooter, and shooting just over 50% from the line this year...Advantage Love because he can be a 4 quarter player...do the Clippers pass the ball to Griffin late with a small lead and hope he doesn't get fouled? Love can be a go to guy in the 4th quarter...Griffin is limited

Shaq, Wilt, Duncan, Dwight Howard. All poor free throw shooters. What's your point?

January 28, 2012  05:26 PM ET
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Shaq, Wilt, Duncan, Dwight Howard. All poor free throw shooters. What's your point?

My point was stated in my original post...did you not read it? And if we were talking about Shaq, Wilt, Duncan OR Howard in this TD I could maybe see where you are coming from. But we aren't so why bring them up? I merely compared the two players being debated above. So I ask...what was the point of your post?

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January 28, 2012  07:49 PM ET

I think the point about Duncan and Garnett is bad. I would compare Love to Duncan much more than I would compare Griffin to Duncan

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