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- 01/30/2012, 11:44AM ET
My all-time fantasy team would beat your fantasy team.
R-Dog said 01/30, 11:44 AM
See posts 1 & 2 for selections and formations.
There are a lot of things wrong with your team from the get-go; there are a couple of glaring problems with your formation.
You decided to go with a really great 1-3-3-1-1-1 formation. I say great, from a historical perspective. The libero (sweeper) went away because it became an ineffective formation against modern offenses and the faster synthetic ball.
I'm not sure if you realize what a libero actually does, but he is supposed to be free to roam the field and join the midfield/attack. That leaves you with a 3 man back that would get shredded by any talented squad. If that is not what Beckenbauer's role then I question how you are using him.
You have grossly mismanaged your 3-man mid and front 3 quite admirably. You have one holding guy and two wingers!? Since you have the top 3 in a straight line, your outside mids will be forced to play up to provide width. Successful teams that have a 3-man mid do not have wingers joining the middle man. Think Barcelona, Milan, Real Madrid, and even Inter at times. Your two traditional wingers bombing forward to not work well with only one holding man.
Bayern said 01/30, 12:00 PM
That's the worst interpretation of my team ever. My formation is a 1-3-4-2. I'm not sure you know what a libero is. Look it up if you need to. Beckenbauer is the greatest defender in history. He patrols the back line behind three amazing man-markers. Vogts, who made Cruyff look like Jozy Altidore in the 1974 World Cup, Kohler who was a wall in defense, and Breitner who could steal the ball from an attackers foot and score in the same motion. Placed directly in front of that 4-man defensive wall is a holding midfielder in Bonhof who would prevent Maradona from ever stepping foot in the box.
Your back-line is aweful. Your two center backs are converted midfielders and your two left backs are known for their offense. I have one of the greatest #10's to play the game providing service to two of the three most prolific strikers in history, Puskas and Eusebio.
Ferenc Puskas has the FIFA Puskas Award, awarded to the player who has scored the most beautiful goal over the past year, named after him.
Ronaldo has a hamburger at McDonald's named after him.
You have a team of 8 attackers and two defenders. This failed Argentina at the 2010 World Cup. You're team is aweful.
R-Dog said 01/30, 12:38 PM
It's easy to see you are low on arguments. Ronaldo and McDonalds? Puskas and a beatiful goal award? These things are pretty irrelevant if we are talking about a head-to-head clash between these two sides.
Obviously your players are good, as are mine, so simple anecdotes about their success on the field are fairly meaningless in the context of this argument. Bonhoff could stop Maradona from stepping in the box? That's either a boldfaced lie, an insult to the voters, or admittance of impending red-cards. That argument is no more valid than me saying Ronaldo would nutmeg Beckenbaer over and over again. There's zero evidence to back it up.
You don't address my critique of your midfield. And you seem to concede the fact that they would not be able to effectively keep possession since they would look to counter.
The fact that my defenders had some work as defensive midfielders just further plays into the strengths of the squad - passing - while still being recognized for their defensive prowess. My team's passing gives it the advantage over your jumbled mess.
I implore you (and the voters/readers) to research a 'libero'. Bayern doesn't understand the role and tactics of it.
Bayern said 01/30, 12:56 PM
A libero may participate in attack. MAY. Doesn't have to. But can if opportunity presents itself. Beckenbauer is primarily a defender; he can attack if he sees fit.
Still you completely misrepresent my midfield. Garrincha and Gento, two of the greatest wingers of all time, play out wide. Walter is a box to box midfielder who can track back on defense and lead the attack over either the wings, down the middle or play over the top of Puskas. I'm sorry if a rough graphic I drew on fannation doesn't convey this.
And yes, against your EA Sports FIFA All-Star team I would 100% play counter-attacking football. The second your entire midfield is located outside my box and then dispossessed by my 5 man wall, your backfield would be open with more holes than swiss cheese. You'd have a better squad had you used some of your bench. What exactly is Platini doing? He's a goal scorer and play-maker. And why didn't you choose a back-up goalkeeper? If Zoff gets injured, you're placing Keane between the sticks?
If you're team was playing an "average" football team they'd have great success. But you took "fantasy" to a whole new level. You're team would carry 60% possession and lose 5-1.
R-Dog said 01/30, 01:13 PM
Possession football beats even great teams. The last world cup, euro, and champions league were all won through possession. It's beyond doubt that it could succeed against a primitive 1-3-4-2.
Funny that you keep saying I have misrepresented your formation and yet you have still not posted one. Doesn't seem to matter though because they would be pinned back for most of the match.
I also agree that my bench is much stronger than yours. I have Van Basten for last-minute goals. And you have Klose...? Sure, you can go ahead and waste your substitutions on bringing in a keeper since you seem to expect for Maier to be tired of being shelled by the consensus best footballer of all time - Maradona.
My team is a cohesive passing unit with Platini and Pirlo passing around your players and threading killer balls to a three-pronged attack. My team is formed around a cohesive passing attack that would retain possession for a majority of the match.
Your team is biased towards Germans from different generation in a jumbled messed of strategy and skill. You drafter great players but you didn't draft a team. That's why my team would win.
Bayern said 01/30, 01:37 PM
Typical R-Dog. You name my subs and mention Klose, who is less versatile, but a better CF than van Basten by the way, but forget to mention my super-sub, Sandor Kocsis. You know, the forward who scored 75 goals in 68 matches for Hungary? The Mighty Magyars? Or is your problem you've only followed the sport for 5 years?
Yes, possession football can be effective. Like Spain used in 2010. They scored 8 goals in 7 matches and managed to win the World Cup. Your team is in no way built like this. Made up of notoriously selfish-show boaters, you lack any chance at team chemistry. You're team contains 3 or 4 #10's. That's just not healthy. I built my team perfectly. I built a team that would actually win in real life, not just on FIFA video games where defense doesn't matter. You built a team to take a spot along with Brazil '82 and Argentina 2010.
In terms of keepers, I've never seen a team enter a tournament with only one keeper. If you've never seen a keeper get injured in a soccer match it's probably because you only follow soccer through internet blogs.
I do get a kick out of you calling my formation primitive. I'm just not ballsy enough to play a futuristic 2-3-5.
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R-Dog's team:
----------------------Zoff---------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------
-------------Koeman-----------Hierro-----------------
-D. Alves-------------------------------------N. Santos-
---------------------Makalele--------------------------
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-------------Pirlo---------------Platini-----------------
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------Maradona--------------------Di Stefano-------------
-----------------------Ronaldo----------------------------
Subs:
F: Marco van Basten
D: Fabio Cannavaro
CM: Michael Ballack
M: Pavel Nedved
F: Rivaldo
D: Djalma Santos
DM: Roy Keane
Read more: http://www.fannation.com/users/all_comments/408800#ixzz1kxd7izRM
R-Dog
Arlington, VA
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Bayern's team
-----------------Sepp Maier-----------------------
-------------Franz Beckenbauer (C)-------------
Berti Vogs---Juergen Kohler---Paul Breitner
----------------Rainer Bonhof---------------------
Garrincha-----------------------Francisco Gento
-----------------Fritz Walter-----------------------
---------------------------Ferenc Puskas-----------
--------------------Eusebio---------------------------
Subs
ST: Miroslav Klose
FW: Sandor Kocsis
MF: Michael Laudrup
MF: Gennaro Gattuso
D/MF: Olaf Thon
D: Andreas Brehme
GK: Oliver Kahn
R-Dog
Arlington, VA
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I'm not much of a soccer fan, but I've gotta ask: where's Pele?
Somebody of Note
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We had a 7-person draft, so someone else took him.
R-Dog
Arlington, VA
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Oh, that sounds sick.
Somebody of Note
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I am not as familiar with Bayern's midfield. I would think that Platini, Pirlo, and Makele would make this a formidable team through the midfield with Maradona and Di Stefano dropping back alternately to receive and bring the ball forward. I understand having marking men in the back, but I would think with 7-8 players attacking, as I think R-Dog is they would have to put a premium on holding onto the ball.
So, question to Bayern; how does your team plan to play, possession or counter-attack?
Unknown:
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Primarily counter.
Bayern
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on line-ups alone Rdog would lose. Maradona, Ronaldo, Platini, would be at each other's throats for the ball all game.
The arguments are kinda funny tho
CU Tiger
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I can't vote for a team that don't have the best player name ever on it: Ole Gunner Sockjar
OJ Simpson
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He's on my reserve squad.
R-Dog
Arlington, VA
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I like the Eusebio and Beckenbauer picks.
DonCorleone
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Bayern says his team is built perfectly and never once unveiled his formation.
R-Dog
Arlington, VA
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Yes I did. Much more than you did. All you did was attack my graphic. Which was not intended to be drawn to scale. If you'd like me to expand in the comments, I'd be glad to, but I was pretty clear what the ideology of my formation and players/positions was.
Bayern
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Check your fanmail, he sent you a picture of something.
Unknown:
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Voting left because of historic German bigotry towards Ecuadorians...
Hudson St
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Up Hudson! My team's training base would be in the Milan of the Midwest.
R-Dog
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That's legit.
Bayern
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No this is legit... too legit
Hudson St
Azteca Of The North, OH
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Bayern,
You lose points for referring to the 2-3-5 formation (also called the Pyramid) as futuristic when it is in fact one of the first true soccer formations.
"The Danubian School of football is a modification of the 2???3???5 formation as played by the Austrians, Czechs, and Hungarians in the 1920s, and taken to its peak by the Austrians in the 1930s. It relied on short-passing and individual skills."
J11: RIP
Denver , CO
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Yeah, I know. I specifically said futuristic to contrast with the traditional features of a 2-3-5, which his line-up is not playing. Interesting stuff, nevertheless.
Bayern
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