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THIS is how you crack down on the roid problem...


You start penalizing TEAMS with PLAYERS that dope. Example- Merriman, gets popped. he gets a year, (not 4 game slap on wrist) suspension. No salary for him and a league mandated rehab program. THEN you penalize the Chargers by forfeiting EVERY game they played from the time of his LAST clean test. And give mandated tests twice a season. AND hand out retroactive fines for the team to pay to sponsers AND refunds to all home games played with that juiced player. Sounds pretty harsh, huh?
Well that's how you clean up the sports world, my friends.
Make the teams accountable. I'll bet you they start instituting their own in-house tests now, hey buddy. Use this as a model for other sports to follow. Make this scorge go away with the strictest penalties imaginable. Just like the French system of criminal justice. Low recidivism


Good morning Noon ??? just woke up and saw your challenge. I see you have 2 points already and I have not yet read the TD.

Your indignation against steroids may be viewed by some as noble, but have you heard about going after a fly with a cannon. You may kill the fly, but you destroy the house. Consider how this would play out in some sports.

Derek Jeter, Andy Pettit, Joe Torre, et al, forfeit all the ALCS and the Yankees declare bankruptcy for the admitted drug use by Giambi. Ditto for the NY Mets, St Louis Cardinals, Sf Giants, Chicago Cubs, and likely every MLB Team (remember you have to consider players in the Farm system too. So we completely cancel MLB. As for football, good news for you ??? the Patriots are now 0-5; so is Dallas; Miami is bankrupt and closed for business, Indy, Skins, Denver are all whacjed ??? Elway is out, etc etc and just about every other NAFL team is now gone under. Want some names to back this up ??? here are NFL drug suspensions for just 1 year ??? ONE :

Dexter Manley, Redskins; Doug DuBose, SF 49ers, Kevin Gogan, Cowboys, Richard Reed, Broncos, Robb Riddick Buffalo, Pat Saindon, Falcons, Greg Townsend, L.A. Raiders, Tony Collins, Indianapolis


Let's go with your "cannon" analogy there, Larr. Yes of course you destroy the whole house, but if that house is infested with rodents, termits and cockroaches and you've tried every pest removal tactic known to man, then you must tear that muthaeffer down. This is ONLY way to get it clean. Now, it wouldn't be possible to go back in time and retrovate all wins and losses before this policy is in place. But start it next year. And believe you me, there won't be a problem with players juicing at a anymore. A team won't allow it and they will test inhouse. As they don't do now. They can also sue a player for violating a team drug code. And if the player STILL manages to sneak in the game after all that, and the league catches him, the team could take him to court. And hopefully the feds will get involved as well. And throw his stupidass in jail.
This would NOT damage sports. In fact it would increase fans. Especially families that now avoid paying money to watch drugged out cheats.


Noon, I admire your heart and passion for ridding the game of drugs, but your solution is just not viable. Your proposed punishments would injure many innocent players and teams, and would financially ruin many franchises. It would wreak havoc on the league as every week you would have retroactive losses. Heck, this season alone teams like Indy, Dallas, and Pats could go from 5-0 to 0-5 overnight and be out of the playoffs. NO,Save the House - find a better way to get the fly


Larry, when a house is not a home, you tear it down. Roids are killing people. It is truly a scourge and is becoming frighteningly acceptable to young dummies across america. (just look at some of the comments here) So drastic crisis calls for drastic measures. My plan wouldn't ruin sports. Nothing can do that. It would just make EVERYONE, especially owners, more accountable. And you need to go to extremes to end a plague like this.


Ah yes, the Nuclear Option. I think the NFL is getting a handle on drug use. The penalties are severe, Same in baseball where the penalties are also severe. I think all Pro sports need to stay vigilant, constantly upgrade their testing; use more player education; and stick with serious penalties. And yes, you can twink the penalties and the testing. But. I prefer to keep the Nuclear Bomb in the closet. Good discussion/ Good passion. Good subject. Wrong solution. If you were President, I suspect that you, too, would have invaded Iraq

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come on, Broadcast. i know u can do better than this...

*scourge

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Noon Your plan will most assuredly end drug use in all sports - congratulations. Unfortunately, your plan will also end all sports. Humm - I hope the fans like watching soap operas and fly fishing ---unless those fisherman we see on TV while we are flipping through the channels to get to an NFL game are shooting up on the boat...NAW.

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Teams are not allowed to do in house testing. This plan is insane. If this were implemented you would have teams hiring undrafted free agents to stick a needle in their rears then go try out for another team in their division in hopes of torpedoing not just their season but their entire franchise. How many restaurant owners would be slipping illegal substances into the meals of players on the road?

Worst idea ever.

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This is just not a good idea. I'd rather have dirty sports than no sports.

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I agree, horrible idea.

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Not a horrible idea. The penalties need to be stiffened but this can't be for everything on the NFL's drug list but if you are on something that is blatantly illegal than you should be slammed and slammed hard. If it looks like it could be just a simple supplement than 4 games is suffice but this is a rampant problem. I don't like penalizing the whole team. To hard to do and no one really cares after the game is played and the team that one usually still gets the credit in the eye of the public. We see this in college when they are told the forfeited some games. Do you think if Bush has to give up his Hiesman that people still won't recognize him as it. Also once caught you should be tested once a week YEARLY. To easy to put your cycles around it otherwise and these guys have people on the inside knowing when tests are coming.

I like stiffer suspensions and fines will make them think twice. Year suspensions then 2nd for life.

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I say fine the owner 1million dollars per player per incident and suspend the player for 4 games without being paid and lose at least one of their incentives in the contract. That should fix the problem on all levels.

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they should just say its against the law adn its a govt problem and let it go

if they keep this up theyll catch manning or brady or vy and then what? how does that fare for the sports world

bottom line is that if merriman and harrison thought theyd get caught they wouldnt do it, that means theres a 99% chance you wont get caught, and it is a competitive advantage, THEY ARE ALL DOING IT, let it go before you destroy it completely like track and field, and the home run record

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The problem Frankie are these players in turn come back after retirement and complain about health problems. I think we should strive to clean up our leagues. If Manning and Brady get caught so be it. Football will always survive any player getting banned. Its bigger than any one player or as the players learned during the strike year the whole lot of them. You won't ruin the sport by making it clean.

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How about this instead. They test EVERYONE Monthly, first suspension is 4 game (NFL, equivalent in baseball would be what... 40 games?), second 1 year, 3rd your done. The mandatory testing will increase the chances of finding the dopers (HGH currently has no test if done in the right amount) and we will wipe out the Potheads (ie ricky williams type) and the roids boys (ie shawn merriman).

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if anything is like pro wrestling its football, steroids not only give strength they give wellness. They help the body to fight injury and to heel. Afterh teh Benoit thing they had to go after steroids in wrestling, thyve lost half their roster, is that what we want in football?

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NO guilt by association. Stiffen penalties for the guilty ones if you wish, but do not penalize or end the franchise of an entire team becasue of 1 idiot. Consider a back up special teams player on the Cowboys, or Colts, or Packers that plays a limited number of times each game and is on roids or recreational grass. You would take away those teams' superbowls and ruin them financially because of this one idiot --- Gee, Peyton Manning would love that; so would Elway, Favre, Romo (if he gets to one). NAW, this is not a viable idea - this is lunacy taken to an extreme.

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I think these guys have out grown their body and this is causing injury as well not to mention the harder you hit the more likely of an injury. There are more injuries in todays game than even a decade ago and tons more than in the 60s and 70s. In the long run performance enhancers cause more injuries than help heal. All these muscle pulls, stress fractures and muscle detachments are a direct result of these guys being too big and strong for their own body.

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thats true, bucky, no question in the long run it would help that situation, the main example of what you are stating is running backs and knees, the anatomy of the human knee is not meant to take that stregnth, that is why they dont last

the issue is that i firmly believe 99.99% of the league are using illegal performance enhancers, they would have to just to keep up

Where do you start? And if you enacted any type of active policy with the intent to catch them youd eliminate 70% of the league either by catching them or losing them when they get off the stuff

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The NFL's leaders (Manning, Favre, Brady) should follow Tiger Wood's lead and come out for stronger measures. When the PGA recently announced it would begin drug testing, Tiger Woods immediately came out publicly in favor of it, but cauthioned that if they were going to do it, the penalties ought to be "really severe" for anyone violating he rules. Now, that's a leader in his sports domain making a strong positive statement for the benefit of the game.

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you dont think favre and manning are on something??? ive seen manning in the gym and ill tell ya, hes not exactly natural

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Manning is 3 french fries short of a happy meal. I think Manning's issues have less to do with drugs than genetic considerations. I mean, take a look at Archie Manning and Eli... they actually need some drugs to fix whatever ails them

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How does punishing the team stop a player from using steroids?

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Gruden It doesn't stop anyone from using, and it just hurts innocent players and teams. It is not a well thought out argument.

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let them be

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