- 02/13/2012, 03:36AM ET
J-Business said 02/13, 03:36 AM
The Knicks are on a 5 game winning streak and most of it is because of the rise of Jeremy Lin.
It's happened without Amare and Melo
So what happens when Carmelo Anthony returns to the Knicks?
Does the offense go thru him (he's the supposed superstar) or do the Knicks filter the offense thru Jeremy Lin?
I say that the Knicks should continue to let the offense go thru Lin and allow their new found PG to dictate the pace of the game.
While Melo is a big time scorer, the Knicks simply have not looked like a good team with him being the focal point of the offense.
W/ Lin being a threat, the Knicks will have a better shot at running the pick and roll thru Lin and Amare as their set offense, rather than Melo
With D'Antoni's offensive schemes, it's essential to have a point guard who can attack the middle and split defenders
I don't expect him to continue averaging 25 pts a game, but if he can do 18pts, 8 assists, the Knicks will be a top team in the East by the end of the season
If Carmelo Anthony can accept a lesser role and play off of Lin and Amare, I think the Knicks can be a rel competitor
If not, it's more of the same
Darth Maim said 02/13, 10:12 AM
Good to TD with you J-Business...I will argue that Melo, Amare, and Lin playing together has limited/no chance of succeding for the following reasons:
1. The offensive game of the Knicks starts with Melo, he has ranked in the top 5 or 6 in the NBA for shot attempts since his rookie year of 2003-04. Amare has ranked in the top 10 in scoring for 3 of the last 4 years. This duo hasn't met a shot attempt they have ever disliked. Amare + Melo = less opportunity for Lin.
2. The combination of Amare ($16.5 million) and Melo ($17.1 million) are almost 35,000,000 reasons that Lin will be a great teammate but will see his role diminish in a multiplier effect from the superstar duo.
3. Lin has scored 242 points in 532 lifetime minutes in the NBA. Let's see what he can do with the combination of Lin, Mare, and Melo before we start running the whole offense through Lin.
Argument 2: Defensive concerns.....
J-Business said 02/14, 12:23 AM
I understand what you're suggesting
Melo has a big ego and will demand the ball
But if the Knicks want to win
If D'Antoni wants to keep his job
If the folks over at MSG want to keep their stock shares souring
They'll make sure the ball goes thru the hands of the point guard
Throughout the season, the Knicks have been waiting for Baron Davis to return or Douglass to step up
Neither has happened
Carmelo is a great scorer in a set offense with a point guard. This is why he was able to do so well in Denver with Ty Lawson and Andre Miller
The current offensive set up is the Knicks pass the ball to Melo in an isolation set and just stand and watch.
Amare gets his points off of put backs and and half court sets but there's no synergy
Regardless if Lin isn't able to keep up his 20+ average a game
He has court vision
He can work the pick and roll
If the Knicks want to win, they'll the ball thru the pg, he'll pass it down low to Amare who will go for the high % or pass to Melo
I don't expect Lin to lead the team in scoring but the game has to go thru him and he'll be the glue that keeps the team together
Darth Maim said 02/14, 12:59 PM
I understand what you are suggesting, but the picture of harmony you are proposing would be the "perfect" situation.
My argument is more of a real life snapshot of where the Knicks are today and short term results "When Melo returns, what happens to the Knicks?".
I argue that:
1) It will take at least 10 games to see which direction the team will be heading.
2) Melo needs the ball, Amare wants the ball, and Lin will try to keep these shot-a-minute players happy.
3) A combination of 1 & 2 will hurt the team chemistry.
4) The 2 Superstars will only inflate the defensive point per game as they shoot more/faster and create more fast break points for their opponents which will hurt the team.
So they will not benefit from the bloated salaries/egos of the Superstars.
Argument 3: Final summations.....
J-Business said 02/14, 11:46 PM
I don't think it's mere fantasy to suggest that the Knicks will run their offense thru their point guard.
They've been waiting to do this with Baron Davis all season.
It just happens to be that a young undrafted, twice cut player will be running the show
In fact, this offers a very intriguing opportunity for the Knicks
I'm going to jump the gun and suggest some of the possibilities.
With Lin at the helm, Amare will buy into the system
The pick and roll is built for him and he'll begin to thrive
If Melo doesn't follow suit, he'll immediately become the Knicks most unpopular player and will get booed
If the Lin-Stoudamire combo works and Melo doesn't buy into it, we'll begin to hear trade "rumors" about Melo and they may be real
Many good teams have used similar systems to run great offenses
San Antonio ran the offense thru Parker-Duncan and Ginobili thrived because it's difficult to double a wing on the pick and roll
The Lakers offense was run from Fisher to Shaq but Kobe thrived as a result
So it's very possible that the Knicks may have struck gold
If Melo buys into this, I see the Knicks emerging as serious contenders
Darth Maim said 02/16, 08:39 AM
Melo quote on Wednesday, February 15th:
"Yeah, if it comes down to the last shot I want the ball. I have been doing this for 9 years and...".
Not to rain on Linsanity, but this quote says it all. So when you add it all up.
1) The Melo (shooter) and Amare (shooter) combo is on the floor, it will mean less opportunities for Lin.
2) $35 million in players who are used to having the ball 50-60% of the time in their hands, then how long before the chemistry is affected?
3) The 'Melo Mindset'...if he expects the ball at the end of the game. How long before he starts making comments to the press (Please remember Denver at the end, middle, and beginning).
4) Lin is spectacular, but 7 games does not a season make. Yet.
So, I am standing by my statement, that when Melo returns the team will not continue to improve.
Nice TD, best of luck in the future.....
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