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And the Prophecy Read said 02/26, 03:52 PM
In the comment section I saw you post one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen.
Here it is:
Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen for Pau Gasol and a 1st rounder.
Um...excuse me?
One of the best shooters of all time and possibly the best distributing PG in the league right now for a soft Gasol and a first round pick?
Unless the Celtics trade Garnett then they would have to play Gasol at C. He doesn't play strong enough to be a center. Could you imagine Gasol trying to go against Howard?
The Celtics wouldn't be close to being better now or for the future after this trade. It just doesn't make sense. Trading a Ray Allen for Gasol could somewhat be justified because of the age, I still wouldn't consider making the trade if I was the Celtics but then you also want the Celtics to throw in Rondo, an All Star this year who is working on a affordable contract, and the Lakers just throw in a first round pick?
Come on DJ I know you are a moron but you can't be this stupid. You cant believe this is an actual trade possibility can you?
DJRoxalot said 02/26, 05:47 PM
It was on ESPN radio. A few weeks ago. That's why I brought it up. It's unlikely
to happen (Hoopshype is saying Rondo and Jermaine O'Neal for Gasol lately), but it gives the Lakers a PG in Rondo and an outside shooter in Allen. 2 things that the Lakers desperately need.
Why would Boston do it? They have to do something and Danny Ainge has been trying to unload Rondo.
I know it seems ludicrous on the outside looking in, but I have an easy answer.
It gives them a player Gasol that can play center next to KG. Gasol is an excellent passer for a big man, as is KG. And they can run the offense through Gasol, KG, and Paul Pierce's passing.
G-Dooling/Bradley
G-Pietrus
F-Pierce
F-KG
C-Gasol
The backcourt isn't that great, but it's 1 of the best frontcourt's in basketball.
Next season KG comes off the books and they have a lot of money to go get a FA PG like Kirk Hinrich, Raymond Felton or Andre Miller, not to mention a SG like Eric Gordon and a center like Chris Kaman or even Spencer Hawes if Philadelphia doesn't resign him.
BOOM!!!! Bring it, jackhole.
And the Prophecy Read said 02/27, 01:02 PM
Ok you ask why would Boston do it. You say they have to do something and have been trying to unload Rondo.
But for Christ sake they aren't trying to give Rondo away. And no they don't have to do anything if its an abortion of a trade like the one you are proposing. Some trades I heard where Rondo was involved were ones involving Chris Paul. Nothing straight up but at least ones that make sense. Not their starting back court for a soft Pau Gasol.
You basically sum this trade up with your comment "it gives the Lakers two things they desperatley need."
Thats all this is, a Lakers fans dream. And no **** it would make the Lakers better. I'm not trying to argue that, this trade is clearly favored to them and its not close. Just admit that this is a horrible trade and has 0 chance of actually being talked about much less happening.
On top of all this now you are saying Boston can upgrade in FA by signing Kirk Hinrich? Chris Kaman? My god I thought you knew basketball? Is this a joke that I am missing...
Keep your fan mails rolling. You clearly are needing them here.
DJRoxalot said 02/27, 01:17 PM
Getting Pau Gasol isn't giving him away. Excellent big man that has played center before.
Look at the centers in the East.
Howard, 20.1ppg, 15.3rpg, 2.2bpg, 1.5spg.
Monroe, 16.5ppg and 9.8rpg.
Hibbert, 13.8ppg, 9.6rpg, and 1.7bpg.
Gasol can't compete with them? Get out of here. He can more than hold his own. Like I said earlier, this gives Boston an excellent frontcourt.
KG can focus on rebounding and defending. Pierce and Gasol can be the scorers the Celtics need. They improve drastically in the frontcourt and have an imposing lineup.
The backcourt issue could be addressed in the offseason. Miss Felton and Miller? They are 2 other quality players that could be added.
If they want to let KG walk and play Gasol at PF next season, Kaman is a solid center. Or if they want another good passer, they could go after Hawes. He is younger, a solid rebounder, and he can give them 13-14ppg.
"Keep your fan mails rolling."
What a loser says when they can't argue.
And the Prophecy Read said 02/28, 01:33 PM
If Kaman is so solid why can't he even find stable minutes on the Hornets. And you think he'll answer something for the Celtics?
Felton and Miller also aren't the answers needed for a championship contender. If the Celtics want to build through free agency then they shouldn't trade a good contract for Pau's abortion.
Right now Pau has Kobe and is able to not have to battle the other teams big thanks to Bynum. If he was playing center he could not and would not be how the offense is ran. That would be a recipe for disaster. Pau Gasol used to be a good player. Now he is just OK and is on the decline of his career but still has the pieces he needs around him to put up good numbers.
The Celtics know they CAN NOT compete with Dooling, Bradley, and Pietrus like you suggest in argument 1. Right now the Celtics aren't great but they certainly don't need to get worse.
With your proposed trade they would have nothing more than a quality SF-PF-C but quite possibly the worst guards in the league.
This trade does not help the Celtics now, or for the future. It only hurts them.
DJRoxalot said 02/28, 02:18 PM
Stable minutes?
He is getting 26mpg and putting up 11.7ppg and 7.5rpg. He averaged 16.2ppg and 8.2rpg in the last 5 games before the All Star break.
He was added to give the Hornets a trade chip and to make the salaries work in the Chris Paul trade.
And yes, he is hardly washed up. He is just 29. He can be a solid addition to any team needing 13-14ppg and 8-9rpg.
Not every team has to have an All Star caliber PG. Felton and Miller are solid veterans who can control the pace of the game and are solid players. It keeps them relevant now, rather than having to cut loose their FA's and suck for 2-3 years while they stock draft picks and rebuild.
They can still be a top 4 team in the East. And we all know anything can happen in the postseason.
Did you forget when the Lakers played the Magic? Pau played very well against Howard. The Lakers won a ring. In Game 5, Bynum was in foul trouble in 17 minutes. Howard had just 11 points against Gasol.
I could go on, but I think you understand the point.
Will the trade happen? Unlikely, but it makes more sense than you think.
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This trade would make no sense at all. If Boston is gonna blow up thier team its going to be to get younger not take on someone old, a first round pick that isn't going to get anyone that will be an immediate impact and generally hurting the team. Curious to see if DJ even comes back with a retort.
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DJ never fails to amaze me if this is true.
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Will kick back, relax, and watch the carnage.
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Ill be suprised if he actually takes this one.
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This trade looks like one of those homer trades where it's nothing but wishful thinking. Seriously, Rondo, who is signed for the next few years and Allen for a player that no one really wants and a low 1st round pick?
If the Celts trade anyone, it'll be Allen and Garnett to get younger and move those salaries off their cap, not to get players back that you can't build a team around.
No team looks at Pau Gasol and says, "Gee, there's a guy to build a team around". You can build a team around Rondo.
If you get enough top level talent, maybe LA could then lure Jackson out of retirement since he can't win unless he has the top talent. You know the end of your team is coming when Jackson leaves because he only puts himself into a position where he has superior talent so he can be lauded as the greatest coach, not what he really is, the coach who always seems to get the best players and can't win without them.
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How does it make sense for Boston? They lose Rondo who is 26 for Gasol who is 31 and therefore on the decline. Late 1st rounders tend to be pretty useless.
LA gains a star point guard to build around, gives up a player they are desperate to get rid of and get Allen as well. Boston also loses cap space which is vital to their rebuild. It really doesn't make any sense for Boston.
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A couple of things. Gasol is way too soft to be a center, he can realistically play at PF. I agree they should get rid of vets if they don't think they can win, but Rondo does not fall into this category.
If it's a bad fit with the current players, Boston should wait to see how it works with Rondo and new players if they move their vets. Rondo is one of the best PG's in the game, period. Getting rid of him makes no sense if they are already going to be rebuilding.
If they move Rondo, they need to get back a lot more than an aging PF/C and a worthless pick. Also, Gasol's cap hit would cripple them. The NBA isn't going to let Boston get away with what Miami did with 3 max contracts. Hell, Stern wouldn't even allow a cap exemption for Boston when Reggie Lewis died, so I don't expect the same treatment that he gave to Miami to circumvent the salary cap.
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A couple of things. Gasol is way too soft to be a center, he can realistically play at PF. I agree they should get rid of vets if they don't think they can win, but Rondo does not fall into this category.
If it's a bad fit with the current players, Boston should wait to see how it works with Rondo and new players if they move their vets. Rondo is one of the best PG's in the game, period. Getting rid of him makes no sense if they are already going to be rebuilding.
If they move Rondo, they need to get back a lot more than an aging PF/C and a worthless pick. Also, Gasol's cap hit would cripple them. The NBA isn't going to let Boston get away with what Miami did with 3 max contracts. Hell, Stern wouldn't even allow a cap exemption for Boston when Reggie Lewis died, so I don't expect the same treatment that he gave to Miami to circumvent the salary cap.
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I don't think you can get 3-4 more years out of Gasol. 1, maybe 2, but that's it. Then it's another crippling contract.
The package is basically worthless to Boston. I'd rather see Boston keep Rondo and build a team around his talents and they'll be able to with the movement of vets out.
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Damn double post.
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