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"But win a 4th.. We match montana and the 9ers.."

secretly HCF thinks hes TOM BRADY! lol

"and the fact we lost to a 10_6 and 9_7 team,
is almost as bad as your girlfriend cheatin on you with a arab terrorist!"

Awesome.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 06:53 PM ET  02.28 by JimJ77 Best in the World!

His legacy is cemented as one of the greatest if not the greatest of all time either way.

This.

Even if he somehow puts up a pedestrian 2-3 years then falls off a cliff, I don't see how he still doesn't go down as one of the greatest.

QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 07:36 PM ET  02.28 by jermur613

This.Even if he somehow puts up a pedestrian 2-3 years then falls off a cliff, I don't see how he still doesn't go down as one of the greatest.

Or even if the cliff falling begins this year.

He has 3 rings and only two other QB's have more.

Neither SB loss was humiliating.

He has set a slew of passing records.

His legacy is already cemented.

nothing short of murder, child molestation charges, or evidence of game fixing could possibly keep brady out of the hall of fame on the first try. not a fan, not a hater, but i recognize that his legacy is as secure as they come.

Brady hasn't won a SB since he broke up with Bridget Moynahan.

Is it better to finish as the #2 team in the league or to be entirely irrelevant?

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 10:15 PM ET  02.28 by (Un)

Is it better to finish as the #2 team in the league or to be entirely irrelevant?

Irrelevant. Although in the interest of full disclosure, as an Eagles fan I don't have much experience with being #2.

QUOTE(#11):

Originally posted 10:30 PM ET  02.28 by jermur613

Irrelevant. Although in the interest of full disclosure, as an Eagles fan I don't have much experience with being #2.

I don't believe that it should be that way. But I definitely agree that's the way people treat it.

Which in that case, Jim Kelly was the worst QB in NFL history.

I agree with you. I have one friend that constantly says 2nd place is just the first place loser. While I can see the point of that, I much rather deal with the heart break at the end of a season rather than a whole season full of headaches.

Personally I don't think I would trade the success the Eagles had for just 1 SB and then years of irrelevance, although at times it seems like I'm in the minority about that.

HCF, the redundancy of another Tom Brady TD is pushing that fine line between what it is you're thinking and what it is I think I'm reading.

Was Dan Marinos legacy ruined because he never won a superbowl? Was Ray Bourque terrible because he never won in Boston? Brady has three and still very much has a chance to get another in the years to come. He has played at a high level for a long time.

If you are a Patriots fan frog, you can't truthfully believe a word you just typed.

First I'd like to say that I have enjoyed watching Brady play in the NFL, he reminds me of Joe Cool and is a sure bet for for the HOF. But I have to agree with the Frog, Brady and Belichick need a Super Bowl win after the VHSGate. If not, their Super Bowl wins are questionable at best and the perception of excellence is slightly "damaged goods".

Exhibit A:
Their AFC Championship game with the Raiders was questionable.

Exhibit B:
They haven't won the Super Bowl after the VHSGate investigation. I want to see Brady and Belichick win at least one more to "clear the air" and remove all doubt about the conspiracies surrounding the AFC Title game and the VHSGate allegations.

I feel that Brady himself would like one or two more Super Bowls to solidify his place with his Idol, Joe Montana. If the Patriots can't win without the usage of Videotape and the help of the League referees than I say that the Legacy is "damaged goods".

QUOTE(#16):

Originally posted 02:49 AM ET  02.29 by Knight19

First I'd like to say that I have enjoyed watching Brady play in the NFL, he reminds me of Joe Cool and is a sure bet for for the HOF. But I have to agree with the Frog, Brady and Belichick need a Super Bowl win after the VHSGate. If not, their Super Bowl wins are questionable at best and the perception of excellence is slightly "damaged goods".Exhibit A:Their AFC Championship game with the Raiders was questionable.Exhibit B:They haven't won the Super Bowl after the VHSGate investigation. I want to see Brady and Belichick win at least one more to "clear the air" and remove all doubt about the conspiracies surrounding the AFC Title game and the VHSGate allegations.I feel that Brady himself would like one or two more Super Bowls to solidify his place with his Idol, Joe Montana. If the Patriots can't win without the usage of Videotape and the help of the League referees than I say that the Legacy is "damaged goods".

As much as it pains me to say, spygate was blown way out of proportion. If it hurts anyones legacy its Belichicks. Not Brady. They may not have won a SB since then, but theyve won an ass load of games and been to 2 SB's. Not sure how just 1 more game makes them less of a team.

Ofcourse Brady wants more titles, but he is cemented in the talks with Montana. Whether he never wins another game, or wins multiple titles, he made the ranks of the all timers,

Not too sure what the conspiracy theory behind the AFC title game is either. At that point Brady was a backup QB who caught fire on a good team with a coach who was horrid as a HC before then. They hadn't won squat. It's not like they were they leagues darling and Brady was getting flags because someone looked at him too hard back then.

Brady is a very good QB. Once the Pats get their Defense put back into order they will get him another ring.