- 03/19/2012, 09:59PM ET
ANFERNEE!!!!! said 03/19, 10:01 PM
If you were an NBA GM, which point guard would you want on your team?
Being a T-wolves fan, it was tough news hearing of Rubio's injury recently. He has been a great contribution to the team. With that said, I think he is overrated. Yes, he is a good passer, but as teams started to figure out how to stop him his production steadily worsened.
Rubio's monthly stats:
January- 12.0 PTS, 9.1 AST, 4.7 REB, 2.4 STL, 3.3 TO, 36.6 FG%, 82.4 FT%
February- 10.0 PTS, 7.7 AST, 3.7 REB, 2.4 STL, 3.3 TO, 33.6 FG%, 78.8 FT%
March- 9.2 PTS, 6.8 AST, 3.2 REB, 1.6 STL, 2.6 TO, 31.0 FG%, 78.3 FT%
As you can see, Rubio's stats gradually decline. His FG% was horrid to begin with, and it still declined each month. Same with his PTS, AST, REB, STL, and FT%.
Wall, on the other hand, has improved over the course of the season.
January- 16.6 PTS, 7.3 AST, 5.5 REB, 1.1 STL, 4.1 TO, 41.4 FG%, 81.9 FT%
February- 19.2 PTS, 8.6 AST, 4.6 REB, 1.4 STL, 4.1 TO, 48.0 FG%, 81.6 FT%
March- 18.7 PTS, 8.7 AST, 4.3 REB, 1.4 STL, 3.8 TO, 49.6 FG%, 72.4 FT%
Wall is the more well rounded PG and he improves as the season progresses. I'd take him.
DJRoxalot said 03/19, 11:38 PM
Now, let me show you the numbers of a rookie that has turned into a HOF caliber PG:
11.7ppg, 7.7apg, 5.4rpg, and 1.9spg while shooting 38.5% on FG's, 27.2% on 3-pointers, and 69.8% on FT's.
Rubio, 10.6ppg, 8.2apg, 4.2rpg, and 2.2spg while shooting 35.7%, 34%, and 80.3%.
Now, I am not saying Rubio is going to be a HOF'er, but he can certainly get better at shooting. Like.........Jason Kidd has.
Rubio was 5th in apg and 3rd in spg when he went down with his injury. He was a huge reason the Timberwolves were fighting for a playoff spot.
The Wolves are 1-4 since Rubio's injury? Coincidence? No, I think they really miss the kid.
Rubio can make a difference in a game when he isn't scoring. That can't be said for all PG's. He plays defense, passes, and rebounds the ball very well. His shooting was expected to be his weakness. It will be something he obviously has to work on in order to be a better all around player.
As far as his declining stats? That happens to most rookies as they hit the "rookie wall" and have to get used to playing a longer season.
ANFERNEE!!!!! said 03/20, 01:09 AM
Shooting was expected to be the weakness for both Rubio and Wall, and it is. Despite the shooting woes, Wall still manages average 44.3% from the field. If he develops a consistent jump shot, he will be a very dangerous player than can do nearly anything on the court.
Lets compare Derrick Rose with Wall:
Rose's first 2 seasons:
16.8 ppg, 6.3 apg, 3.9 rpg, 1.5 spg, 47.5 FG%
20.8 ppg, 6.0 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.2 spg, 48.9 FG%
Walls first 2 seasons:
16.4 ppg, 8.3 apg, 4.6 rpg, 1.8 spg, 40.9FG%
17.6 ppg, 7.9 apg, 4.8 rpg, 1.3 spg, 44.3 FG%
Rose and Wall have very similar playing styles and skill sets, so there is no reason to doubt that Wall could match Rose's production and success. He just needs the teammates to help him do it. Teammates like Rose and Rubio have.
While Rubio may be 5th in apg, and 3rd in spg.. he has the lowest FG% amongst qualified rookies. And while he does not make the list of qualified NBA players for FG%, the lowest rating is 37%... which is 1.3% more than Rubio's.
Rubio is a good player that is fun to watch, but if he cannot improve his scoring ability he will not be a great PG. Wall, however, can already score... and pass... and rebound.
DJRoxalot said 03/20, 09:09 AM
John Wall is in his 2nd NBA season. Rubio was an NBA rookie.
I would hope Wall would increase his FG % to 44.3 since he doesn't shoot many 3-pointers. 23 this season, or 1 every other game. Wall's game is to drive and penetrate (similar to Rose) and Rubio is more of a perimeter player. He plays on the outside and looks to pass first.
Rubio is a better defender than Wall. He has the wingspan of a player that is 6-9 and he will be a player that is a pesky guy for players to try and score against. He has better court vision than Wall and is just as good a rebounder.
You bring up that Rubio has better talent?
Washington had some talent also. Nick Young. All he does is score, but he did that well in Washington to the tune of 16.4ppg. Jordan Crawford averages 13.3ppg. And Javele McGee was a solid low post player that averaged nearly 12ppg. The Wizards primary problem was that they had too many bad personalities in the locker room and were (are) underperforming.
Usually, a sign of of players giving up on the coach. That's why the coach was fired and Randy Wittman replaced him.
ANFERNEE!!!!! said 03/20, 07:41 PM
Yes, Crawford and Young can score, but they do it while shooting 39% and 40% respectively. If they raise their FG% to 45% like Beasley, Williams, and Love, then Wall's assists will increase.
Rubio is a good defender, but so is Wall. Rubio may have a 6-9 wingspan... but Wall's is 6-9.25
Hollinger Stats (http://tinyurl.com/6su523x) are useful when comparing the 2 players.
TS%, AST, TO, USG, REB, PER, VA, EWA
Rubio .476 36.3 14.2 19.6 6.7 14.84 80.5 2.7
Wall .522 27.4 14.1 25.0 7.3 18.82 190.0 6.3
Explanation for each stat can be found by clicking the above link.
More possessions of Rubio's end in assists, but he also does have better players that shoot a higher %. The league PER average every year is 15.0. Rubio is below that. Wall is sitting nearly 4 points above it. Value added is another key stat to examine. Wall is 26th in the league in this category, right above Duncan and Irving. Rubio is 97th, right above Trevor Ariza.
Est. wins added... Wall more than doubles Rubio and ranks 28th in the NBA, right above Duncan (again). Rubio is sitting with some great players too. He is tied for 92nd.. with Redick and Farmar.
DJRoxalot said 03/21, 02:47 PM
"Yes, Crawford and Young can score, but they do it while shooting 39% and 40% respectively. If they raise their FG% to 45% like Beasley, Williams, and Love, then Wall's assists will increase."
Listen, Wall has more talent than people are giving him credit for. Crawford and Young are scorers, not shooters. There is a difference. And they can definitely score. He also had McGee for most of the season and he's a pretty solid option at center.
And sure, Rubio has Love, but Washington has some talent as well.
Rubio can make a difference without scoring too much. On Jan 16th, he had just 9 points, but he dished out 8 assists, grabbed 8 rebounds, and snatched 2 steals in a 99-86 win.
"More possessions of Rubio's end in assists, but he also does have better players that shoot a higher %."
The Wizards make 43.7% of their FG's.
The Wolves make 43.6% so your numbers are actually off.
Wall had a 1.9 assist to TO ratio. As opposed to Rubio's 2.6 ratio. Rubio is a better passer and more careful with the ball.
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