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- 03/21/2012, 03:12AM ET
The Eagles win in a landslide.
Marlins Fan said 03/21, 03:12 AM
I'm refering to the trade that just went down between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Houston Texans, in which the Eagles received linebacker DeMeco Ryans and the Texans received the Eagles' fourth round draft pick in this years' draft. (The Eagles also dropped 12 slots in the third round after agreeing to swap third round picks with Houston)
The Eagles won this trade by a country mile.
Last year the Eagles had major issues at linebacker and Ryans should be an obvious upgrade for whoever he takes over for, which brings up another positive for the Eagles - Ryans can play any linebacker position. He has experience both in the middle and on the outside and instantly gives Philly some flexibility with Chaney and some of the other young guys. Ryans also has a reputation for being a leader of the defense on the field and being a team leader in the locker room.
The Eagles got a very good player at a critical and previously under-manned position; the Texans got a fourth round draft pick.
There's a possibility that the pick winds up being a special player for Houston but at this point it comes off as almost a baffling move by the Texans; a clear-cut win for the Eagles.
baron. said 03/21, 11:24 AM
The Texans made out very well in this trade...despite what initial reactions might be.
DeMeco Ryans hasn't been the same since tearing his ACL 6 weeks into 2010, and had become a part time player in 2011 that was going to make $7 million in 2012. Last season he played a bit under 60% (58.2%) of the Texans defensive snaps, was a liability in pass coverage, showed that he didn't fit their scheme, and that he might never be the All Pro or even Pro Bowl player he once was pre-injury.
By trading Ryan the Texans were actually able to get something in return for a player that they were more than likely going to cut anyways...and by trading him this season they were able to free up cap room for next season when they'll need to sign Matt Schaub and Duane Brown (to name a few). This seems like a no brainer for the Texans and the right move for their future.
Now they'll be able to move forward with *4th round draft choice Darryl Sharpton who had been stealing PT from Ryans since being drafted, and possibly find quality starters with the picks from Philly (their recent track record with these picks shows that they probably will)...
Hardly a "landslide" for Philly.
Marlins Fan said 03/21, 10:45 PM
Oh, but it WAS a landslide.
It's true that Ryans had a bit of a down year in 2011, mainly due to recovering from the injury and attempting to make the switch to a 3-4 linebacker. It's a process and it takes a little while to adjust.
But it's all good now because he's in Philly and the Eagles play a 4-3 anyway, so Ryans will be able to comfortably shift back to the player he was early on with Houston; you know, the guy who made a couple Pro Bowls, signed a 48 million dollar contract and wore a headset on the field, meaning he was on the field for EVERY defensive play.
Either way, the Eagles filled a MASSIVE hole with a sublimely talented player in exchange for a measly fourth round pick. As I said earlier, that pick MIGHT develop into someone special but let's face it... the Broncos got a fourth rounder for Tim Tebow.
Fourth round picks CLEARLY don't hold a lot of value.
You say this was a no-brainer for Houston. I disagree. A no-brainer would've been trading Ryans for a second round pick or something along those lines.
This was a dumb deal. Ryans could've fetched a lot more than just a fourth rounder.
It was a no-brainer alright, but for the Eagles
baron. said 03/22, 12:56 AM
DeMeco Ryans reputation is exceeding his actual production. In 2011 playing 16 games he recorded 48 tackles and 1 forced fumble.
You keep saying Houston should have gotten more...
But there's a limited market for LB's making nearly $7 million who can't be an every down player in over half the leagues defenses...and he's coming off a significant knee injury.
Let's be real about this:
Neither team lost.
The Eagles desperately needed a proven LB...ANY PROVEN LB.
The Texans simply wanted anything in return for a player they were planning on releasing.
Both teams may very well have gotten more than they bargained for.
While the Eagles might have the better end of the deal that doesn't mean Houston is walking away a loser. They turned what was going to be nothing but a cap hit into a draft pick/draft positioning and VALUABLE cap space for next season...
The guy wasn't going to fit into what they were doing, and for what they were paying they couldn't justify letting him sit on the sidelines 40% of the time. And interesting enough, the less Ryans played the better Houston's defense became (#2 in yards allowed & 4th in points allowed last season).
Marlins Fan said 03/23, 01:36 AM
Last year Ryans was returning from an injury while simultaneously trying to learn a completely new defensive scheme, one that saw many defensive players switching positions and learning new terminology.
Mario Williams changed positions for the new defense and saw his statistical production drop off as a result. Guess what.. he just signed a 100 million dollar contract with the Bills.
DeMeco Ryans also was trying to find his place in Wade Phillips' defense and saw his statistical production drop off as a result. But then the Texans traded him for a 4th round draft pick, and you're trying to argue that the Texazns got a good deal in this trade.
It's crazy... Philly got a premier LB when the linebacker position was a major flaw; the Texans got a measly late-round draft pick.
There's no doubt that Philly got the better of this deal, and honestly it's not even close at this point.
As I've said multiple times now, if that pick materializes into some kind of star player than the deal would be a draw.
But that's not likely and as it is RIGHT NOW the Eagles certainly, most definitely, assuredly got the better of this deal, and honestly it's not even close.
Good TD.
baron. said 03/23, 10:11 AM
You're looking at the short term...where losing someone like Ryans might hurt the Texans defense (but probably not seeing as how they got better without him). Sure it might make the Eagles defense better, but does it even hurt Houston. They've got the depth at the position to overcome it which is why they made the move in the 1st place.
In the long term, they've now got money to go sign their top 10 QB and top 10 LT next season and more picks to find quality players. Would you want to keep an expendable piece now or let one of those guys walk next season and really cripple your franchise...?
You keep saying it's bad that they ONLY got a 4th, but who exactly was offering more. There wasn't a better offer out there that they turned down. They got what they could out of a player they were going to cut ties with.
Both franchises were able to improve themselves without giving up other valuable assets. The Eagles got a LB that if he can get back to form will improve that unit immensely. The Texans get picks and cap space for a player they were going to cut. Sounds like a win win.
Good TD.
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Agree 100%. And now for your listening pleasure, just when you thought the re-branding couldn't get any worse. I submit this for your listening pleasure.
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The same thing happened to Jonathan Vilma when the Jets switched to a 3-4. Because there was one less defensive lineman in front of him he was ending up in more one-on-one situations with offensive lineman.
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Right is taking a good approach by attacking the "clear cut/landslide/country mile" aspect from left. The Eagles did surprisingly well in obtaining Ryans but this was a good trade for both sides. Looking forward to rounds 2 & 3 in this one.
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And with this acquisition, does this significantly change the Eagles draft board? Nearly every 'expert' mock I have seen has them taking Luke Kuechly at #15, which (before this trade, anyway) makes sense except for the fact that Andy Reid has a nearly inexplicable aversion to drafting LBs in the early rounds, let alone in round 1. Do the Eagles break with tradition and draft Kuechly (or any top LB) at #15 to pair with Ryans or does this trade mean that Big Red can go back to what he does best.... drafting yet another lineman in the first round?
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So-called draft "experts" have been predicting the Eagles to draft a linebacker in the 1st round nearly every year for the last decade. And as you said, it never happens.
IMO it does not significantly change the Eagles draft board because they wouldn't have drafted a linebacker in the 1st round regardless of their need at the position.
My guess is they draft a defensive tackle in the 1st round. And most likely one weighing approximately 300lbs.
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"While the Eagles might have the better end of the deal that doesn't mean Houston is walking away a loser. They turned what was going to be nothing but a cap hit into a draft pick/draft positioning and VALUABLE cap space for next season..."
I like the position right took. Vote right.
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Let us pray that he drafts the LB leaving the Birds with one of the best LB corps in the league.
That would be the smart thing to do which means that the chances are 50/50.
LET US PRAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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