- 03/21/2012, 03:34PM ET
lakedawg said 03/21, 03:34 PM
NFL defense's run and hit @ 100% aggression regardless of a bounty. That's what they are paid to do. SpyGate was a blatant breaking of the rules to gain an advantage. Hitting hard is part of the game, not an advantage.
williewilliejuan said 03/21, 10:29 PM
I don't have a zombie TD on the board yet, so why not?
The fact that you refer to this issue as mere "hitting" twice in your stellar 40 word opening salvo tells me you have no idea what this issue is really about. This issue is about paying players extra money to injure other human beings. It's senseless, callous and goes against every notion of sportsmanship that sports are supposed to reinforce.
Regardless of how one might feel about Spygate; regardless of whether one thinks it gave the Patriots any advantage at all, the key indisputable fact is the Patriots weren't trying to hurt anyone. They weren't trying to end anyone's career. As misguided as the taping might have been, it was nowhere near as bad an infraction as what the Saints did. Not in the same ballpark. Not in same league. Not even close.
This was never a question of just getting players to play hard. Trying to hurt opposing players is a despicable act and was rightfully penalized harshly.
By the way...side note to journalists everywhere: Watergate was 40 years ago. Can we be done with this unimaginative penchant for adding "-Gate" to every scandal? It's stupid and played out.
lakedawg said 03/22, 09:24 AM
Brilliant! Attack the length of my intro... It appears that you got the jist champ. How about sending a hand written letter to Fannation asking there to be a minimum on the amount of characters in each post so that you may feel better about yourself.
I will start with the fact that the penalties outweigh the reported bounties. With the price tag of an illegal hit growing with every infraction you can't sit here and say it was about the money.
Believe it or not hurting the opposing players has been part of the game since day 1. If a defense can put a QB out for the rest of the game, then chalk up a W. These bounties were more of a side bet than anything else. I am sure the thought of the "pot" was nowhere in the defensive players minds until after something happens. The NFL is a very fast paced game with little room for error. If a defender is thinking "I need to hit him this way and then twist him that way and then slap this and poke that", chances are they just missed the ball carrier.
I'll have to wait until the next post to speak on Spygate.
williewilliejuan said 03/22, 01:17 PM
The fact that the amount of the bounties was relatively nominal as compared to the average player salary or the amount of the penalty imposed for an illegal hit is irrelevant. The simple fact remains that Gregg Williams and the Saints created an incentive plan for injuring opposing players. They wouldn't have offered an incentive if they didn't think it would encourage players.
I am quite certain that some players have always harbored a desire to injure their opponents. I am also quite certain that players so disposed will continue to harbor those desires regardless of the punishments the NFL hands down. That, too, is irrelevant. There is a significant qualitative difference between the thought processes of specific players and a team developing a system of rewards to encourage injuring opposing players.
When the NFL first caught wind that certain teams had bounty programs in place, they sent out warnings that such programs were not allowed. The Saints were aware that the bounties were illegal, but continued to offer them. When they were subsequently asked about them, they lied about offering bounties. That alone justifies harsher punishment.
lakedawg said 03/22, 01:29 PM
So since Spygate was not warned first it was okay? It was against the rules to film a teams signals or even practice and then use them to your advantage. Anything caught by the naked eye is fair game. The average career length in the NFL is 3 years +/-. Is it fair that in those 3 years a player was cheated out of victory? Nevermind, this is useless.
You know what? Since you got your virtual "friends" to break away from their WoW accounts and come and vote for you I'm going to tell you what I am going to do. I am forfeiting this crap and calling it a day. Not worth the time. Before the TD even got started it was 27 to 1. Its sad really. This is supposed to be a forum to have a point driven argument voted on by our peers. Its sad that you bring in your friends list to not only vote for you but trash the argument in the comments. Have a great day.
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