- 03/29/2012, 03:21PM ET
Marlins Fan said 03/29, 10:27 PM
From everything I've been hearing lately it seems as if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are preparing themselves to draft Trent Richardson with the 5th overall pick in the upcoming draft.
Sounds like a boatload of nonsense to me.
Taking a RB that high is completely overvaluing the player or undervaluing the pick, one or the other.
If anything is certain in today's NFL it's that the League in general is being dominated by pass-heavy teams and the few teams that still have "franchise" running backs are nowhere near contention, with the possible exception of the Chicago Bears. (IMO the Bears are a poor example because they still have a pretty damn good QB in Jay Cutler and they proved they're buying into the pass first philosophy by trading for Marhsall and NOT resigning Forte long term)
Richardson is a great RB but he's just not worth a top 5 pick. IMO he's not worth anything in the top 15-20 but this TD is just about TB's #5 pick so we'll leave it at that.
The Bucs already have a pretty good RB in LeGarrette Blount and adding another RB just makes the pick even worse. Even if TB was starved for a RB it would still be foolish drafting T-Rich that high.
DetroitFan2255 said 03/30, 05:37 AM
Nice to TD with you MF.
Here is why I think the Bucs SHOULD take Richardson if he slips to them.
The Bucs have already addressed a need at WR by going out and getting Vincent Jackson, so now Mike Williams becomes their #2, which is where he would have been on most other teams.
They have Josh Freeman who is a mobile QB and the offense is built around his mobility more than a pocket passer. After RG3 the next QB is Tannehill who is more of a pocket passer and would not fit in the Bucs offense. Freeman also has a 60% completion rate so there really is not a reason to replace him.
You say they already have a pretty good RB in Blount. He only had 5 TDs last year, and how long do you trust him to keep his cool. He sucker punched an opponent in college then in training camp he punched a teammate. They need a backup for when he blows his top again. Erik Lorig and Morris Madu are not the answer.
They could use DE help but the first DE to come off the board isnt until the late teens early 20's and I just don't see them trading away #5 to move down that far unless they are offered a deal they just can't refuse. But as you said we will just leave them at #5.
Marlins Fan said 03/31, 12:46 AM
Good to TD with you as well, DetroitFan2255.
It's true that TB already has the required pieces for their passing game but there are always better options to take with such a high pick other than wasting it on a RB.
Richardson is a great talent and he's probably gonna be a better NFL RB than Blount (it's arguable, but I'll give Trent the benefit of the doubt) but the Bucs could use that pick for someone much more valuable than a low-priority position like RB.
Out of the 32 NFL teams, Tampa Bay finished 2011 ranked 30th. Defense is obviously a huge need for them and they should spend as many quality draft picks as possible shoring up their sorry unit, particularly when the perceived upgrade from Blount to Richardson would probably be small anyway.
How many good defenders can you think of on TB? Maybe Barber, maybe Talib?
They've spent picks on defense lately that never blossomed into what they had hoped (i.e. Brian Price) but that shouldn't stop them from try, try, trying again.
TB's biggest need is clearly defense, and with the way the NFL has shifted into a passing League I just can't see any way that taking Richardson with the 5th pick could be a smart move.
DetroitFan2255 said 03/31, 02:44 PM
TB finished 30th in both rushing yards per game and yards per rush. How do they not need another RB. I understand that this has become a pass happy league but as we have pointed out they have all the pieces for a decent passing game. Almost every team in the league has a 2 back system, and who is TB's other back?
I have seen it first hand when a team drafts according to need somehow (and I don't understand it) they never actually get better. The Lions under Satan (Matt Millen) used this method for years and consistently played worse. But once Mayhew took over and started taking the best player available the team has made a clear turn around from what it once was. This is the strategy the Bucs need to take. Go after the best player available. Every mock draft I have looked at has Richardson going 4th or 5th, this tells me if he slips to 5th he is the best player available and the Bucs should jump at the chance to have him.
College stats - from scrimmage
Blount 163 plays 1099 YDS 6.7 AVG 19 TD - JR and SR years
Richardson 312 plays 217 YDS 6.5 AVG 24 TD - this is just his senior year
I fail to see how Richardson is only a little better than Blount.
Marlins Fan said 03/31, 05:58 PM
Based off the NCAA stats you presented it would appear that Blount IS the superior player. Now obviously he played in Oregon's system which at the time had them throwing more than running so his overall total of carries is lower than Richardson's was, but the average yards/per/carry is better, and the percentage of carries that resulted in TDs is also better, so IMO the stats are what they are. I'm not saying Blount is the better RB but his stats sure do stack up nicely against Richardson.
Anyway, this isn't about which college athlete outperformed the other. This is about what should the Bucs do with the 5th pick in the Draft.
And I stand by my statement that TB should NOT draft Trent Richardson. They already have a very capable runningback in Blount and the potential upgrade of Richardson just isn't worth a pick that valuable.
Instead, TB should focus on the defensive side of the ball. Ronde Barber is getting really old and there's gonna be an excellent cornerback available: Morris Claiborne.
Claiborne would be a much wiser and more valuable pick for the Bucs. Any defensive player would be a smarter choice than Richardson.
TB should NOT draft Richardson.
DetroitFan2255 said 03/31, 08:16 PM
Due to my typo I can see how you think Blount is superior. Richardson had 2017 YDS not 217, for that I appologize.
But in 2 years Blount received less touches, less yardage, and less TD's than Richardson did in 1 year. Blounts average is .2 YDS higher which is nothing. If Claiborne is there they should take him because that means Richardson is gone. All the mocks have those players 4th and 5th.
Bottom line is the bucs need another RB they do not have an AP or a Foster. So they need that 2 back system. Blount got hurt last year so the running game was non-existant and the Bucs suffered because of it. They need a back that can step in incase of injury or as I said before when Blount lets his emotions get the best of him and flies off the handle.
Richardson is a good all around back, he had 7 receiving TD's along with a 10.7 YD average. That is going to do nothing but help the passing game, it gives them another weapon teams need to account for.
If Richardson is there IMO the Bucs would be dumb not to take him.
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