- 04/04/2012, 09:33AM ET
Saint T-Fo said 04/04, 09:33 AM
I don't know who the best quarterback in the NFL is, but it might be Aaron Rogers, or Tom Brady, or Drew Brees. If Peyton Manning is healthy, he would certainly be in the mix as well.
Well there are four. I guess after these guys, you would have to consider Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Michael Vick, Cam Newton...wait that's ten.
Joe Flacco is not a top ten quarterback. He is also, quite apparently, an idiot.
killercee said 04/04, 11:41 AM
First and foremost, I want to say that I agree with you on the fact that Joe Flacco is not the best QB in the NFL. Now, with that i want to say that at first I thought that this would be a dumb TD to participate in due to the fact that Joe Flacco hasn't won a Super Bowl. Also, in my mind (as well as other sports fans) he hasn't done anything significant for us to say that he is one of the top ten QB's in the game. But, when I went to look at his stats and began to compare them with the one's everyone unanimously agree are top ten QB's I realized that we might need to rethink whether or not Flacco is a top ten QB's. Based on the stats he is a top 10 quality QB! This is what I found!
Flacco Brees Rodgers Brady
yrs pro 4 11 7 12
QB rate 80 94 104.1 96.4
comp % 60.8 65.9 65.4 63.8
pass yrd 13816 40742 17366 39979
yrd/game 215.9 246.6 251.7 248.3
td's 80 281 132 300
int.'s 46 146 38 115
rush td's 4 8 16 10
Saint T-Fo said 04/05, 10:21 AM
To be considered remotely near the top ten QB's requires more than numbers. It requires consistency.
And plain flat simple, Average Joe goes out and screws the pooch several times each year. Remember the Jacksonville game last season. Ugly.
killercee said 04/05, 11:14 AM
Well the thing that you are missing is that in the 4 years that he has been the starting QB for the Ravens statistically he has been consistent. I know that everyone are results driven but when you look at his stats in comparison to Brees, Rodgers, and Brady; he certainly has the skillset to be an elite QB! This in turn makes me question if the problems with Flacco is that he doesn't have what it takes to get them over the hump or is it that the offensive system that he is playing under giving him the room to produce the numbers needed to help them get over the hump. Let's not forget John Harbaugh is not like his brother Jim. He is primarily a defensive coach where Jim is solely a gunslinger coach. The Ravens are primarily known as a defensive team and when you take a closer look at the offensive plays you will see that they really don't take any real big risks during a game. It seems like is a system that has Flacco managing the game well enough for the defense to win it for them. In fact, that what I believe that they hired him to do... MANAGE THE GAME not WIN THE GAME. Let's not forget he has been in the playoffs every year since he has started!
Sumthin to make you say HMMM?!
Saint T-Fo said 04/05, 10:34 PM
Not really a HMMMM. More like a HMMF.
You did hit the nail right on the head. Flacco is, in fact, a game manager...and little else.
Oh he shows flashes every once and awhile...probably enough for a Raven fan to keep hoping he'll be great. He's not.
You hear from Raven fans that the coaching staff needs to take off the restraints, let Flacco do his thing. There is a reason they do not. If a coach senses he has a special QB he is quite willing to turn him loose. Flacco is not special. He's average.
He's been surrounded on offense by a quality o-line, a premier running back and every free agent WR they can get their hands on.
Flacco is what he is...Average Joe.
killercee said 04/06, 11:00 AM
I strongly disagree with you assessment for the simple fact that, except in a few instances (i.e.: Payton Manning), the quarterback is to do what the coach says. That is how it has been in the NFL for awhile. The coach calls the plays and the QB performs them. You can't blame the QB for designing and playing a conservative offensive style. The QB doesn't desgin or call those plays. I am very sure that a QB would want to play the plays that will make him shine. I firmly believe that if Flacco had played for Belicheck or any other offensive minded coach he would probably perform a little better than he has recently. Furthermore, my friend, if he was so average how is it that he and the Ravens have been in the playoffs the entire time that he has been the starting QB? How is it that he has won a playoff game each time that they have been in the playoffs? If he was so average, how is it possible for him to reach the NFC conference finals 2 out of the four times that he went to the playoffs? I know their defense is their mantra but they certainly needed their offense to score points! Also, the league avg. for pass. yrds was 1667 in 2011 ! 3610 yrds passing certainly is not average!
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