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  • 04/04/2012, 09:33AM ET

Joe Flacco is not the best QB in the NFL. Statement of "fact".

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I don't know who the best quarterback in the NFL is, but it might be Aaron Rogers, or Tom Brady, or Drew Brees. If Peyton Manning is healthy, he would certainly be in the mix as well.

Well there are four. I guess after these guys, you would have to consider Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Michael Vick, Cam Newton...wait that's ten.

Joe Flacco is not a top ten quarterback. He is also, quite apparently, an idiot.

Average Joe.


First and foremost, I want to say that I agree with you on the fact that Joe Flacco is not the best QB in the NFL. Now, with that i want to say that at first I thought that this would be a dumb TD to participate in due to the fact that Joe Flacco hasn't won a Super Bowl. Also, in my mind (as well as other sports fans) he hasn't done anything significant for us to say that he is one of the top ten QB's in the game. But, when I went to look at his stats and began to compare them with the one's everyone unanimously agree are top ten QB's I realized that we might need to rethink whether or not Flacco is a top ten QB's. Based on the stats he is a top 10 quality QB! This is what I found!
Flacco Brees Rodgers Brady
yrs pro 4 11 7 12
QB rate 80 94 104.1 96.4
comp % 60.8 65.9 65.4 63.8
pass yrd 13816 40742 17366 39979
yrd/game 215.9 246.6 251.7 248.3
td's 80 281 132 300
int.'s 46 146 38 115
rush td's 4 8 16 10


To be considered remotely near the top ten QB's requires more than numbers. It requires consistency.

And plain flat simple, Average Joe goes out and screws the pooch several times each year. Remember the Jacksonville game last season. Ugly.

Average Joe.


Well the thing that you are missing is that in the 4 years that he has been the starting QB for the Ravens statistically he has been consistent. I know that everyone are results driven but when you look at his stats in comparison to Brees, Rodgers, and Brady; he certainly has the skillset to be an elite QB! This in turn makes me question if the problems with Flacco is that he doesn't have what it takes to get them over the hump or is it that the offensive system that he is playing under giving him the room to produce the numbers needed to help them get over the hump. Let's not forget John Harbaugh is not like his brother Jim. He is primarily a defensive coach where Jim is solely a gunslinger coach. The Ravens are primarily known as a defensive team and when you take a closer look at the offensive plays you will see that they really don't take any real big risks during a game. It seems like is a system that has Flacco managing the game well enough for the defense to win it for them. In fact, that what I believe that they hired him to do... MANAGE THE GAME not WIN THE GAME. Let's not forget he has been in the playoffs every year since he has started!

Sumthin to make you say HMMM?!


Not really a HMMMM. More like a HMMF.

You did hit the nail right on the head. Flacco is, in fact, a game manager...and little else.

Oh he shows flashes every once and awhile...probably enough for a Raven fan to keep hoping he'll be great. He's not.

You hear from Raven fans that the coaching staff needs to take off the restraints, let Flacco do his thing. There is a reason they do not. If a coach senses he has a special QB he is quite willing to turn him loose. Flacco is not special. He's average.

He's been surrounded on offense by a quality o-line, a premier running back and every free agent WR they can get their hands on.

Flacco is what he is...Average Joe.


I strongly disagree with you assessment for the simple fact that, except in a few instances (i.e.: Payton Manning), the quarterback is to do what the coach says. That is how it has been in the NFL for awhile. The coach calls the plays and the QB performs them. You can't blame the QB for designing and playing a conservative offensive style. The QB doesn't desgin or call those plays. I am very sure that a QB would want to play the plays that will make him shine. I firmly believe that if Flacco had played for Belicheck or any other offensive minded coach he would probably perform a little better than he has recently. Furthermore, my friend, if he was so average how is it that he and the Ravens have been in the playoffs the entire time that he has been the starting QB? How is it that he has won a playoff game each time that they have been in the playoffs? If he was so average, how is it possible for him to reach the NFC conference finals 2 out of the four times that he went to the playoffs? I know their defense is their mantra but they certainly needed their offense to score points! Also, the league avg. for pass. yrds was 1667 in 2011 ! 3610 yrds passing certainly is not average!

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April 4, 2012  10:10 AM ET

Really going out on a limb on this one.

April 4, 2012  11:11 AM ET

Are you really expecting someone to argue that he IS the best QB in the NFL??

April 4, 2012  11:19 AM ET

You can't spell Best without...uh...nevermind.

April 4, 2012  11:34 AM ET

I may be the only one but I get what Flacco is saying. I will wait until arguments are posted to give my thought, although I think this will be a zombie TD.

April 4, 2012  12:49 PM ET

Uhhhhh, if you want to prove he is top ten you ned to list 10 QBs, or at least list the only QBs you think are better than him.

April 4, 2012  01:38 PM ET

Agree, all he did was make him 4th out of 4 QB's listed. Weak. Flacco is okay, but he should not talk to the press about where he stands. Play ball and do it on the field. Saying it does not make it true, in spite of what Oprah is telling you.....

April 4, 2012  02:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Are you really expecting someone to argue that he IS the best QB in the NFL??

NO, but it could easily be argued that every pro athlete should have the mindset that they are top tier. Not many competitive people walk around saying "man I suck, why do I bother"

April 4, 2012  02:14 PM ET

^ this

April 4, 2012  02:18 PM ET

Well right took a stance that many would not. To me Flacco's words are being twisted. What he is saying is that you have to go in thinking your the best because if you go in thinking you suck then guess what....you suck. Everyone bashed Eli for claiming he was on the same level as Brady and then he went out and beat Brady. Call it the defense won the game or what ever you would like, bottom line is Eli go the ring last year. I actually agree with what Flacco is saying. He may not be the best Qb in the league but if he doesn't go into a game thinking he is then he already lost.

April 4, 2012  02:46 PM ET

Dumb TD. Did you even read the story? Dude was just trying to exhibit a little self-confidence. Of course he's not the best QB (or even top 10). NEXT!!

April 4, 2012  02:47 PM ET

Dumb TD. Did you even read the story? Of course he's not the best QB (or even top 10). Dude was just trying to exhibit a little self-confidence.

April 4, 2012  02:47 PM ET

Sorry, first post didn't seem to take.

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April 4, 2012  04:12 PM ET

If I could pick from any QB in the league to be my teams QB for next year, i wouldn't have Flacco in my top 15.

April 4, 2012  07:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

NO, but it could easily be argued that every pro athlete should have the mindset that they are top tier. Not many competitive people walk around saying "man I suck, why do I bother"

Yeah, I'll buy that. It is kind of a loaded question for Flacco. He probably should have stopped at calling himself Top 5, though.

April 4, 2012  08:24 PM ET
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Well right took a stance that many would not. To me Flacco's words are being twisted. What he is saying is that you have to go in thinking your the best because if you go in thinking you suck then guess what....you suck. Everyone bashed Eli for claiming he was on the same level as Brady and then he went out and beat Brady. Call it the defense won the game or what ever you would like, bottom line is Eli go the ring last year. I actually agree with what Flacco is saying. He may not be the best Qb in the league but if he doesn't go into a game thinking he is then he already lost.

Yep.

It's a media-created story. They set him up and then picked him alive.

April 5, 2012  11:52 AM ET

voting right.

Flacco is not the best but your last statement that he's "average Joe" is 100% wrong.

He's much better than average; try watching more than just box scores.

April 5, 2012  12:19 PM ET

i'm a fact based debater. I am not into opinions! Show me the black and white facts. Based on the facts, the issue with Flacco is not his skill and ability to play the game.

 
April 5, 2012  12:38 PM ET
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i'm a fact based debater. I am not into opinions! Show me the black and white facts. Based on the facts, the issue with Flacco is not his skill and ability to play the game.

Here's a fact: You suck.
Here's a stat: 100% of everyone here agrees with me.

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