- 04/14/2012, 02:08AM ET
M as in Mancy said 04/14, 02:08 AM
Allen Iverson once said in a Reebok commercial:
"A jumpshot can get you a shoe deal, a supermodel, a big house, fancy cars, a bunch of yes men, and a Swiss bank account. But none of these things can get you a jumpshot."
Tim- time to get your efforts and eyes back on the prize.
Being a good QB can get you a book deal, an underwear endorsement, a religious platform, and dinner with Taylor Swift. But none of these things will make you a good QB.
Hardest working man in the NFL? Captain intangible? Not quite, that would be the guy who took your job in Denver and WASN'T on Good Morning America yesterday doing interviews.
Get in the film room to learn to read an NFL defense. Do the footwork and arm drills to build a consistent, accurate release. Get in contact with your WRs, TEs, and RBs to build rapport. The will to win is nothing without the will to prepare.
Right now you're a celebrity playing football. Keep neglecting your game and you're just a celebrity. If that.
Marlins Fan said 04/14, 02:31 AM
Great first TD, if this really is your first. If not, it's still a great topic and all that.
Anyway, I like the AI quote and I get what you're saying about Big Time Timmy Jim, but I don't think you've aptly identified the problem in Tebow's game.
You see, none of us really know how hard pro athletes work; we just parrot what we hear from their coaches, their teammates, certain TV personalities, etc. Those close to the athletes know about their work ethic; we just know what those people tell us.
And everything that the people close to Tim Tebow say indicates that he is indeed a hard worker.
A TD's character limit doesn't allow me the opportunity to quote everyone who has praised Tebow's work ethic, so I'll just list some of the people who have gone on record saying Tebow works as hard as anyone:
Pretty much everyone who has ever coached him or played with him lauds Tebow's work ethic. Heck, even the guy who wrote the book on work ethic (Eric Chester, author of "Reviving Work Ethic") gave Tebow props for working hard.
It's not Tebow's lack of work ethic; it's an issue of talent.
M as in Mancy said 04/15, 02:15 AM
Specious arguement. Let's dig a bit deeper about the laudatory comments. Although each of these people are intimately connected to his professional career, what do you expect? He was in a classy organizations that stress teamwork and unity rather than controversial soundbites. He's surrounded by men who understand the concept of praise in public, criticize in private. Name when ANY of your souces have publicly thrown someone under the bus.
When Tim came into the league he had many questions. Shaky mechanics. Questionable decisionmaking in the pocket. He's in his 3rd year yet with the same questions.
Really? Smart decision-making takes talent? Solid mechanics take talent? Those two glaring holes can be fixed with weeks of dedicated filmwork, and MONTHS of repetition. Sounds like hard work to me. Sounds like committment.
Ask yourself what Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Jerry Rice would be doing when given the LUXURY of a month or two off. MJ, Kobe? EVERYONE in pro sports is talented. What separates guys who ride their talent for 3 years and long careers are what they do when no one is looking.
"Greatness is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" Thomas Edison
Marlins Fan said 04/15, 03:03 AM
The problem here is that you're still operating under the assumption that Tebow doesn't work hard. You're assuming that hard work would equal great mechanics which in turn would equal success on the field.
It just doesn't work that way, especially with Tebow. Tebow was never a classic pocket passer. Trying to morph Tebow into Peyton Manning is an attempt at jamming a square peg into a round hole.
Tebow's game was always predicated on improvisation. Remember the jump passes that Tebow popularized while at UF? Remember Tebow setting the all-time SEC rushing TDs record? None of those things happen with a classic, pro-style QB.
Tebow's strengths include running the ball, holding the ball in an attempt to "make something happen" when plays break down, and basically everything else that traditional QB's don't do.
More likely than not, Tebow spends a lot of time working in the weight room, strengthening himself for the fullback-style runs he so loves. Chances are he works a lot on avoiding the blitz, waiting for WRs to break from their routes and get open, etc.
Just because he doesn't work on traditional things doesn't mean he doesn't hard.
M as in Mancy said 04/15, 03:44 PM
Not quite. Work efficiency is a function of work ethic. In life (and physics) direction of applied force is as important as pure magnitude. Work=ForcexDistancexCosine(direction). Hammering a screw all day is inefficient; not lazy.
Tim needs to be more efficient and focused. Is there a causal connection between his external football obligations and weightlifting regimen and improving his weaknesses? He can deadlift a VW. hooray.
You didn't address the issue. The "traditional things" happen to be high yield QB skills. Reading a defense and consistent mechanics are the baseline for any QB. Even a runner. He needs to do the tedious, unglamorous things like sit in a dark room taking notes, footprint drills, WR route trees. His current actions and on-field results don't reflect this.
As far as talent...wrong a 2nd time. Tim was UF football's 1st academic All-America since 98. NFL.com's draft profile explicitly mentions his strong arm. Topped his QB class in 3 cone, 20 yd shuttle, vertical. Jon Gruden-"6-3, 240 lbs of concrete cyanide". Multiple 1st/2nd round grades.
I'm a huge Tim fan. Which is also why I'm hard on him and expect more.
Marlins Fan said 04/15, 07:26 PM
You're obviously a smart person and you have a good vocabulary but unfortunately you're letting you r personal opinions cloud your judgement when it comes to Tim Tebow.
As I've said before, none of us are close enough to Tebow to judge his work ethic, which leaves us but one option - listening to those close to him speak of how hard the guy works.
Is all the time and preparation he puts in misguided? Perhaps. Probably.
But when virtually every single person close to Tebow goes on record saying the kid is flawed but works his tail off, it probably indicates that Tebow's work ethic is not at fault for his shortcomings on the field.
Like you, I also am a Tebow supporter. But it is clear that he has a long way to go before he could ever be a classic dropback passer.
IMO it's actually an exercise in futility trying to make Tebow into the afore-mentioned classic QB. His physical skills aren't geared towards the traditional-style passing game and the fact that Elway dropped him like he's hot indicates that the people he works for don't believe he can ever be that guy.
IMO, because of his limitations, Tebow won't ever be a great NFL QB despite his hard work.
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