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- 04/25/2012, 09:32PM ET
The third QB taken in the 2012 Draft should be...
Marlins Fan said 04/25, 09:32 PM
Kellen Moore, and it's not even close.
People have been stroking Ryan Tannehill for the past few weeks, and although he has an intriguing blend of size and speed there is no way he should ever be taken before Moore.
In all honesty, I'm surprised at the lack of interest regarding Moore. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised; maybe I should know better by now, but it's still pretty damn surprising.
I get that Moore's "short". So is Drew Brees, and not only has he taken a franchise that was completely dead to the Super Bowl, but he and the Saints won that SB, defeating the great Peyton Manning and the Colts.
Comparing Moore to Brees, a future sure-fire Hall of Famer, is A-OK in my book. It's certainly not a detraction.
But let's move away from what Moore isn't (tall) and focus on what he is (really good).
Moore is very experienced; a starter who started all four years.
Moore is the winningest QB in Division 1 history, finishing his career with a 50-3 record.
Moore is extremely accurate, completing 71-74% of his passes the last two years.
Moore is very smart with the football, throwing a combined 143 TDs against just 28 INTs over his career.
Moore>Tannehill.
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 04/25, 11:21 PM
The comparison of Moore to Brees based on height is just too simplistic.
Brees had a much stronger arm coming out of Purdue and weighed 215 lbs or almost 20 more than Kellen.
It's not that Moore is too short to be productive in the NFL, he just doesn't have the arm strength to get it done.
We've seen many college QB's win a ton of games and put up video game number but do nothing in the NFL. Colt Brennan, Ty Detmer, Danny Wauerffel. All had weak arms like Moore does.
On the other hand Tannehill is a big kid at 6'4, 220 with good arm strength, accurate, and has a quick release. He does not have the experience that Moore has but his ceiling is much greater than Moore's.
You can list Moore's accomplishments in college til your blue in the face but it does not translate to the NFL.
Moore is just too small and has too weak of an arm. He can't get the ball out past the numbers. Not great attributes for NFL success. Most likely Moore becomes a career backup, because he is a smart kid and is a very accurate thrower.
Having said that, teams would be crazy to draft Moore instead of Tannehill. Tannehil should be the 3rd QB taken and thats a fact Jack.
Tannehill>Moore.
Marlins Fan said 04/26, 12:08 AM
Your entire argument against Moore is based off his supposedly weak arm and his lack of stature.
Which is surprising coming from you, since you're a big Tom Brady supporter.
The knock against Brady was a lack of arm strength as well, and when he was coming out of college that was one of the main detractions NFL people held against him.
Guess what? He landed in a system full of dink and dunk passes, and he rode that system all the way to a handful of Super Bowl victories. (not saying Brady is all system; simply saying that his system fits him perfectly and he's obviously been extremely successful within that system)
Same argument against Drew Brees. He's too short, his arm is too weak, blah blah blah.
Guess what? Brees has a Super Bowl ring too. And he has established himself as one of the most prolific passes in the history of the NFL.
Now I'm not saying Moore is destined to be Brady 2.0 or the second coming of Drew Brees; nay, I'm merely pointing out the holes in the arguments against him.
You know who wasn't small and didn't have a weak arm?
Jamarcus Russell. How'd that turn out?
And maybe you can tell me what makes Tannehill better than Moore?
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 04/26, 01:26 AM
Your comparison of Brady is ludicrous. First off Brady was 6'4 coming out of Michigan. Not 6 feet like Moore. Secondly, Brady learned how to play QB under one of the great minds in football history. Thirdly, Brady got lucky that Mo Lewis blew up Bledsoe. It was a perfect storm of circumstances for Brady.
I guess you're trying to sell me on the perfect storm working out for Moore too, and with a 4 inch disadvantage. Not a strong argument.
I never heard anything about Brees arm being too weak going into the draft. In fact he had a solid arm coming out. So stop comparing Moore to Brees. Its not a good comparison.
I understand you're not saying Moore is the 2nd coming of Brady or Brees, because that would be insane. The TD is about who should be the 3rd QB taken in this years draft.
The answer of course is Tannehill. Not because of what he did in college versus what Moore did. Its not a stat debate. He should be taken third because he has the most potential to be an NFL caliber QB. He's bigger, stronger, has a better arm, and has more upside.
What we see in Moore is what we get. A college level QB who put up good stats in a weak conference. A career backup if lucky.
Marlins Fan said 04/26, 03:18 AM
I'm not saying folks knocked Brady because of his size; I'm saying they thought his arm was too weak. And he got drafted about a million spots below where he should've been because of it.
Same with Kellen Moore; people think his arm is weak. It's not. Ever see him play? So he throws the deep ball ten yards less than Jamarcus Russell did. So the **** what?
How many deep outs does a team run in a game, anyway??
Moore is as accurate and as intelligent as they come. Playing with a bunch of lowly-regarded 2/3 star players at Boise, Moore was able to become the winningest Qb in the history of college football!!
He regularly completed well over 70% of his throws and rarely turned the ball over, finishing with a 6-to-1 TD-INT ratio.
Again, all while playing with players who weren't good enough for the SEC; weren't good enough for the Big 12; weren't good enough for the PAC-10.
He won with an empty cupboard; he dominated the stat sheet with guys none of us have ever heard of.
Who cares that he's Drew Brees' height? Since when is being comparable to Brees a bad thing anyway???
Guys... think about it! Tannehill has done NOTHING! Who cares that he's taller???
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 04/26, 11:48 AM
You seem hung up on what Kellen did in college, but fail to mention he put up those numbers in the Mountain West. I seem to remember Colt Brennan putting up big numbers in a crappy conference too and he was drafted in the 6th round and did squat in the NFL. Why? Because he played in a great college system vs crap competition and had a WEAK arm. Same as Moore.
I can sit here and tell you Case Keenum should be drafted as the 3rd QB because he put up bigger numbers than Moore, but thats just ridiculous. Like Moore, Keenum put up huge stats against inferior competition and is small in stature at 6 ft and has a weak arm. He'll be lucky to be drafted.
Tannehill put up good numbers in a top college conference. He has a great arm, is accurate, is 6'4, and is a tremendous athlete. His potential is infinitely higher than Moore's.
You can't sit here and spew college stats as the talking point of this TD. Those have nothing to do with how a QB would translate to the NFL. Moore simply is too small and has too weak of an arm. One big shot, and he's likely going to miss multiple games.
NFL teams will not draft Moore any higher than the 4th round. Tannehill will go 1st round. FACT!
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I get that Moore's "short". So is Drew Brees
Tough comparison. Brees is the exception that proves the rule. This is the same as saying NBA teams should give serious consideration to players who are 5'3" because Mugsy Bogues had some success...
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Oh, I know. I just used an extreme example to make my point.
The list of successful NFL QB's who were 6'0" or less and under 200lbs is incredibly short...as in it's a blank page. :) I guess you could make a case for Flutie based on longevity, but he was an 11th round pick and never anything more than a journeyman. Brees is 6', but he's substantially bigger and stronger than Moore beyond height.
I don't want a guy under center that I have to worry is going to be broken in half the first time a Demarcus Ware gets a clean shot on him...
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Actually Mugsy is 5'3. You have never seen the guy or something? He's really short and played well.
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Being 6'0 presents enough challenges to being an NFL QB but weighing in at 195 soaking wet on top of it, after 4 years in a College weight room no less, suggests a frame that will never withstand the punishment an NFL QB takes in today's game.
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The knock against Brady was a lack of arm strength as well, and when he was coming out of college that was one of the main detractions NFL people held against him.
Yes, but Brady is 6'4 225.
One strike gets you knocked down to the 6th round so where does 3 strikes (height, weight, strength) get you?
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I'm not sure how you can call it paranoid when there is NO example of a QB of Kellen Moores height/weight who was successful in the NFL. At least not in the modern game. I think history makes it pretty clear that guys that size just don't excel at the position at the highest level. It's not a knock on Moore, it just is what it is. To draft him at all is taking a flier that the guy can do what hasn't been done before. I don't like the odds.
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Not possibility, probability. Damn near certainty.
Vick is 6'0 215...how much more brittle and frail would he be if he was 195? He'd have been out of the league years ago.
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Russell is a poor example. His failure had nothing to do with his size. Just look at the top QB's in the game today
Peyton - 6'5 230
Brady - 6'4 225
Rodgers - 6'2 223
Romo - 6'2 219
Eli - 6'4 218
There are a LOT more guys Moore's size in the general population than there are the QB's listed above so it would stand to reason that if someone that size could be successful, it would have happened already. Brees is the exception, but he's still substantially bigger than Moore.
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My source in the Broncos weight room tells me that Kellen has been beefing up lately.
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Jim!
Arnold was short, but was able to succeed and become a living legend.
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