- 05/07/2012, 08:29AM ET
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 05/07, 08:29 AM
Boxing's next major steroid scandal will be Manny Pacquiao.
Well, he's a dirty cheat. But besides that....
Let's look at what we have with him. As a boxer, he started out at 112 pounds, lean. Suddenly, he's fighting at 150 pounds. Interesting. Some will say that "well, he was only 16 and filled out over the years."
But if you look a little deeper:
In March of 08, he's fighting at 133 pounds, 1 year later he's fighting at 150 pounds. So, in 1 year he puts on 17 pounds of solid muscle on a 5'6" frame. This is roughly the equivalent of a 200 pounds baseball player putting on 26 pounds of solid muscle in 1 year, at 30 years old.
He's afraid of needles for a test for roids. A guy who gets hit in the face for a living is afraid of needles and won't take a steroid test.
His doctor is the infamous Hector Oscar Molina. Who's this guy? This is the same doctor that gave Overeem an injection that caused his testosterone/epi ratio to spike to 14:1 to help heal a rib injury. Overeem pathetically claimed he didn't know it was steroids.
Manny uses this same doctor.
Puts on a lot of muscle, afraid of tests, using a steroid doc....
eXistenZ said 05/08, 04:53 AM
Good topic & good luck.
Roberto Duran's career started from the Lightweight class and ended up reaching the Super Middleweight class. Duran stands about the same height as Pacquiao presently, 5' 7". Just like Duran, Pacquiao started his Pro career at the age of 16, but he stood only 4' 11" and weighed in at under 100 lbs in 1995. Pacquiao had room to grow, physically and he also overcame obstacles of making the catch weight by sometimes placing weights in his pants and also wearing heavier gloves.
Coming from a poor Asian Country, he is also reaping the benefits of modern day nutrition along with rigorous training. A mixture of complex carbs and protein supplements replaces the poor upbringing, he once lived off the streets for a time when he was 14.
A man's metabolism also decreases somewhere in the late 20's and mid 30's, making gaining weight easier than in your youth. The average weight for a 5' 7" average man is approximately between 139-151 lbs. This of course is the US standard, not a standard for a person who grew up in a 3rd World Country.
Synthetic versus natural testosterone? Let's look at the Nevada Athletic Commission's 6:1 ratio next.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 05/08, 06:52 AM
Yes, I addressed the part about starting young and whatnot, but you never addressed the fact that he put on 17 pounds of pure muscle, at the age of 30. He's far removed from his childhood at that point, so none of that plays into it.
Now, this is a man who is "afraid" of needles and is using that as an excuse to not get a blood test for steroids. This comes off as if he is trying to hide something, because it's not like he isn't getting in the face for a living or anything like that.
One of the largest money fights in boxing history would take place if Pac would agree to Olympic style blood testing for steroids and other illegal drugs. It comes off as very "curious" that he would refuse such a payday for this. He's also never given a decent explanation, except for his alleged fear of needles. So, if he had to take a drug test for a job, he'd be unemployed?
Now, the latest is the allegation of "head growth" for Manny. This is the same thing that Bonds was accused of as well, and it was proven in court documents that Bonds head has grown, and it looks to be the same issue for Manny. You can put on muscle, but head growth doesn't happen naturally.
eXistenZ said 05/09, 12:36 AM
You didn't address it properly enough. He turned Pro at 16, he was only 4' 11' under 100 lbs. Presently he is 5' 6" so naturally he had to gain some weight.
Everyone should be afraid of needles unless you enjoy doing drugs. Manny has said he is willing to do whatever it takes when it comes to drug testing but on his, the State or Country in which he is fighting and the WBO terms, not because Floyd wants him to jump through "hoops". It's more posturing than anything.
Synthetic versus natural testosterone?
Nevada Athletic Commission allows a 6:1 ratio. Manny has not been caught doing anything illegal so far.
"There are athletes out there with a natural level of 5:1... You want to catch the guilty guys but not the innocent guys. You want to make it fair. One thing I don't want is a bunch of false-positives. That's not good for anyone." - Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission
As far as the size of his head, and not to stereotype or be racist, most Asians who are diminutive in stature will have normal heads. But normal in the sense for the avg. Caucasian (5' 10.5") would look larger on a smaller frame such as Manny's.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 05/09, 06:54 AM
You say that there are natural athletes out there with a 5:1 epi/testosterone level. Name one. Personally, I've never heard of it, it is so outside the realm of biology it is laughable.
Nevada "allows" a certain ratio, so they are endorsing low level cheating for all athletes. That's the only rational I can come up with, or they are afraid of being sued.
As far as being afraid of needles, those tattoos tell me another story.
Plus, the illegal substances that get tested for by the Olympics is a lot different than just taking a simple steroid test. Olympic style testing also happens multiple times, something that Pac did not agree to. Pac also stated that he would only do it up to 2 weeks before the fight, so that gives time for another cycle.
When you really look at it, Mayweather is actually letting the USADA handle the testing. Pac has a real issue with that. If he is as clean as he alleges, why doesn't he let himself get tested the same way thousands of other athletes in this country do and tens of thousands do around the world?
Fear of needles, debunked.
Agree to testing, sketchy at best. Only on his terms, not the USADA.
eXistenZ said 05/09, 12:09 PM
Boxing's next major steroid scandal will be Manny Pacquiao.
You listed all the reasons that you believe makes Pacquiao a cheater for steroids, but none of your claims have proven him to be what you allege.
You say he had an unusual weight gain. He started out professionally at 4' 11" and is now 5' 6", I seriously doubt he would still weigh under a 100 lbs.
You claim he is afraid needles, I don't know Manny personally but I would be afraid of needles as well even if it was done by a sexy nurse. It's normal.
I just think he is one of those body types that have a smaller build but a "normal" head size. Nothing like Barry Bonds who we all have seen pictures of his head transforming during his home run derby seasons. Bruce Lee had a similar build, muscles on a smaller body but with a "normal" head.
Manny has done nothing wrong.
He has never been denied to fight after being tested. Manny, besides being an athlete, is a lawmaker in the House of Rep. While Floyd, who sits back and want's things his way, is a wife batterer. Who do you think is more honest here? Did Floyd get the USADA tested on his last fight?
Floyd is cheating us of a great fight, man up.
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