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Chavez jr. will not be undefeated after he fights Martinez, Sergio, Martinez! haha
()0P()0C()0H~HBO SAT. 6 PM! said 05/11, 01:16 AM
Razor Ruddock is coming back!! He's 48 now, i do believe, and he wants the Klitschko's like everybody else. lol Ruddock says he's fighting 3 fights this summer. From the article I read, he's in great physical condition... Who Knows?
David Hayve and Chisiro are fighting..
"you glassed me!"
Yeah, these two idiots should make for some fireworks on July 14th.
Watched the last Kimbo fight, way to bore me, Brian Green, some little slugging undersized white boi, put a whoppin on him for all 4 rounds, but when it counted, Kimbo knocked him out, just 3 seconds left in the 4 round bang'er.. Scorpion 4 might be a great alternative, or maybe Batista and him can team up in the wrestling ring, since Batista was Mr. I wanna fight mMa guy.
enough of me rambling..
Should Wladimir Klitschko fight Vitali Klitschko?
we all know it won't happen, but SHOULD IT?
I say yes
and also say that Vitali would win.
BuckyBadger. said 05/16, 10:40 AM
OK I will take this down off the board since the time remaining seems to be counting up and not down.
Should they fight? In any other sport there would be no question but in boxing I say leave it up the to brothers. Boxing is a different kind of sport than most others. In most other sports you can go all out without putting your opponent in any real physical danger, or it is usually very remote. In boxing you are trying to concuss your opponent. If they don't feel comfortable doing this why force it? You won't get a good fight as they will be holding back and not even a great indication who is better.
Who wins? 5 years ago there was no question in my mind. Vitali IMO is the more fluid fighter, had the better chin, better endurance and was the more aggressive fighter. All Wladimir has is the better one punch power where Vitali gets his guys out with an accumulation of punches.
Today Wladimir wins. Vitali is now 40 and he is showing major signs of slowing down. His stamina isn't what it used to be which was a big part of his game. Vitali for the first time is now the more vulnerable of the two brothers. Vitali himself knows this as he has said his retirement is near.
()0P()0C()0H~HBO SAT. 6 PM! said 05/17, 01:14 AM
Vitali is older and wiser...
Vitali also has, A GREAT CHIN...
my boi Sam Peter, who's falln off the earth beat wladimir to the punch 3 times..
yeah, yeah..
years ago, Vitali's old, get it!
But Vitali has been the most dominant Klitschko and will remain.
Wladi hasn't fought anybody like Vitali, and Vitali, he just basically retired Lennos Lewis, scared of the almight L..
Vitali might have slowed down, and Wladi's gained a step or two, but that's not enough..
When you think of the Klitschko's, and i don't see how you can pick the younger one.
More than being the "big bro", Vitali, he's the better boxer.
BuckyBadger. said 05/17, 10:34 AM
The Vitali that fought Lewis no longer exists. That Vitali would clean Wladimir's clock but not anymore.
Vitali was huffing and puffin vs Chisora, a guy who lost to Tyson Fury. The Vitali that fought Lewis knocks that bum out. This is how far he has fallen.
Wladimir was never that far behind his brother as you would think. Father time has taken enough away form Vitali that he wouldn't be able to beat his brother anymore. Happens to us all. Wladimir has been a dominant champion, do you really think it would take anything less than a prime top fighter to beat him? This guy barely ever loses a round, only Mayweather has been more dominant.
The problem with your reasoning is when YOU think Klitschko brothers you think they are both in their prime. That is not a fact anymore. Vitali WAS the better boxer but in recent fights he hasn't been as strong or as quick as he used to be. His little bro now has him in these categories.
You don't just make comments like "yea, yea" in boxing about someone getting old. Shane Mosley got old too and look how different he is. Vitali isn't completely shot but he can't face the best anymore.
()0P()0C()0H~HBO SAT. 6 PM! said 05/18, 03:53 PM
Neither Klitschko is in his prime in my opinion..
It's just that Vitali has the KNoWN better chin, and he's a more polished boxer. Vitali would get in on Wladi's odd stance.
Vitali has been knocked down when?
that's my question to YOU.
Vitali might have looked old in the Chisora fight, but who's to say ,what Chisora would do with Wladi..
If David Haye WOULDA actually BOXED, and not tried to run and just throw the "big one", Wladi might be coming off an L...
I'm not the biggest Wladi fan,and we all know the heavyweight division is weak sauce.
Yes, Wladi and Vitali deserve their due, not matter the competition, but Vitali is far better than his little bro, which isn't saying anything bad on Wladi's part, he's not too far behind.
Father time is cool, but with age, the wiser you are. Vitali's skills>Wladi's, sorry!
Wladi can knock 98% of the heavyweight division, but Vitali, he's the same breed, different and stronger warrior.
BuckyBadger. said 05/22, 09:16 AM
I never said Vitali has been knocked down [outside of kickboxing, one KO there]. I am telling you his stamina and strength aren't what they used to be.
Wladimir isn't a weakling in the ring, in fact he as dominant a fighter as you can find right now. David Haye fought the way he did because he would have knocked out had he engaged Wladimir, there is no if here. Ifs and buts are a poor way to argue anyways.
If you look at the recent fights Wladimir has looked far better and he is taking on the better competition. Vitali has been facing guys like Albert Sosnowski and Shannon Briggs and going the distance or going far too late in the fight. Wladimir has earned his spot at champion of the division by defeating Chagaev, Chambers and Haye.
Wladimir's stance isn't odd as you would say, it is actually textbook perfect. He is trained by Emmanuel Steward who known for preaching balance and having his fighters stand tall. His stance isn't odd in the least.
Father time has made Vitali slow and his style doesn't do well with slowing down. I like Vitali far more but I have also watched him since his Olympic days, the Vitali you speak of no longer lives, little bro is better now.
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Chavez and Martinez are going to fight?
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Bucky, wherever you are. lol I watched the Seth Mitchell vs Witherspoon fight. Can we say hold mackerals?
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Your comme*holy
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that's what i heard, but i wasn't positive in writing this..
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heard that kimbo fight was fixed.
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where did you hear that? why would Chavez take a fight he would lose in, at least this year? he's still too weak to go up against a top prize fighter like Martinez. Chavez will fight more cupckae fights for another two years before he fights a serious fighter.
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they have schedules fights right now, but after those, i think there is some mandatory title defense on one of their parts.. bucky would know more..
yeah, probably beginning of the year, they'll fight!
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*scheduled fights rignt now.. oops
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yeah, chavez is going to get killed..
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* note, somebody can take this td and say Wladi would beat Vitali.. doesn't matter to me, i think everybody would love to see these two goliaths square off.. haah
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If Chavez Jr beats Andy Lee [which is no guarantee other then it is in Texas] the winner is suppose to be the mandatory for Martinez. Does this mean Chavez Jr will take the fight? Not necessarily but with Mexican fans you can't be ducking fighters and expect to keep a good name.
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I think people are a bit unfair to Chavez Jr because of who his father is. Critics have been complaining about his competition since he came on the scene and even when he was just 21 asking when is he going to start fighting top competition.
People forget that he didn't have any amateur experience and isn't his father by a long shot. His expectations have been too high from day 1.
Chavez Jr is now, at still a pretty young age of 26, starting to take on some good competition. I would even argue that Rubio and his next fight Lee are better fighters then the last two Martinez fought and Chavez Jr isn't the champion of the division like Martinez.
BuckyBadger.
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Seth needs to learn to move his head. If Chazz is hitting you at will and hurting you I think you need to go back to the drawing board and rework somethings. It was his first step up vs a real fighter and where he won in exciting fashion he had a lot of deficiencies exposed.
Seth is everyone's great American hope but I feel they are looking at the wrong guy. There is another ex-football player out there that IMO looks more natural in the ring. Better defense and just more fluid like a guy who is a real boxer and not just a powerful athlete. Bryan Jennings IMO is the best hope we have.
Jennings already has a far better victory than anything Mitchell has in Siarhei Liakhovich. Even his victory over Maurice Byarm was better then most Seth has had. I would love to see them settle it in the ring.
In the end I don't see Mitchell being able to defeat other American Heavyweights in Arreola, Tony Thompson or even the soft hitting Eddie Chambers.
BuckyBadger.
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The fight is possible because Martinez will push the mandatory.
IMO Martinez should be looking to fight Pirog or Daniel Geale. More experience fighters who are much better. Chavez Jr represents the biggest payday at middleweight and that probably includes Martinez.
Had Golden Boy not already nabbed the Mexico Independence date it might have happened this fall. I think it might happen yet late this year or early next unless the WBC really screws over Martinez which is possible.
I suspect Martinez wins but it would be hard fought. Chavez Jr comes into the ring around 185lbs or more, that is a cruiserweight. Martinez is starting to slow down. You can tell his reflexes aren't what they used to.
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good points, but my thing is Chavez has has so many fights already. I say he needs to step up his game and start fighting the best guys within the next year or two. He has enough experience to do it.
HomertheGreek
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He has a ton of fights but that is the Mexican way. Screw fighting for free. Fight often and work learn on the job. Fight lots of taxi drivers along the way but it is basically paid amateurs.
I think Chavez will be fighting top guys now. He is fighting top 10 guys and I can see a fight with Pavlik or and possibly and Martinez soon.
Part of the problem is Arum who is becoming just completely bull headed. He is really just matching up his own guys to often which is why I bring Pavlik.
BuckyBadger.
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More excellent points you make. Yeah because these promoters are trying to take in all the rake for themselves. Arum and Golden Boy can go to h-e-l-l, especially Arum. He hypes up the media to hate on Mayweather, all because Floyd doesn't need his services anymore. I think it would be great to have a 4-man tourney between Mayweather, Pac, Sergio Martinez, and Chavez or Cotto at an agreed weight to determine the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I say next year so that Chavez can get in two more quality fights and be ready.
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^^that's pending Pac beat Bradley. If Bradley wins, there goes the mega super fight that could have earned each fighter 50 million a piece.
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well said..
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You don't think manny knows that?
Manny's sponsored by nike, Bradley's sponsored by Gillette.
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