- 05/11/2012, 01:01PM ET
J-Business said 05/11, 01:01 PM
I'll this first and foremost that I am a lifelong Sixers fan and I want to see the team do well but honestly, this series win over the Bulls was not a real upset
Yes, the Bulls were the number 1 seed and yes the Sixers were the number 8
But the fact is that the Bulls lost their best player and reigning league MVP in game 1 and then lost their starting center in game 3.
Without Rose and Noah, the Bulls themselves would probably be an 8th seeded team if they even make the playoffs
The Sixers played well during the first half of the season but then settled down to be a lower rung team.
They got lucky (yes it was luck) that the Bulls lost their two best players
To see the Sixers fans and players celebrating as if they beat a "real" number one seed is ridiculous and shows what happens when a team hasn't had success in a long time and will over celebrate when they win
Bottom line. Yes the Sixers won, but it should be surprising that they beat a team without it's two best players
Twizlamic said 05/11, 08:16 PM
Nice topic and for starters let me just commend you on the ability to remove the "homer googles" and present a fairly well balanced and completely non partisan argument about your preferred NBA franchise.
With that being said I just want to let you know J its ok. You can pop the cork and taste the champange. The Sixers did indeed pull off a rousing upset and take out one of the NBAs top tier teams and overall regular season champs.
Now I know this was not as great of an upset as when my beloved GS Warriors took out the mighty Dallas Mavericks in round 1 a few years back but it was indeed an upset. Why you ask? Well let me tell you.
Anytime an 8 seed can upset a 1 in a 7 game set this is indeed an accomplishment. Your talking about a young team in the phenom 6ers that are poorly lacking in playoff experience versus a more seasoned Bulls team. Bulls have been there and will be there again but the 6ers have stood up and showed why they are really one of the better young teams in the NBA.
I will address this luck aspect you mention in my next argument with the contention that even in a lock out shortened season it was still a war of attrition and overall team depth matters.
J-Business said 05/12, 07:26 AM
For one, there is simply no comparison between what the Bulls-Sixers series and Dallas-GS. It doesn't matter what the Bulls did in the regular season because they lost their two best players.
It's not as if the Sixers shut down Rose and Noah, those guys had serious injuries and were out for the rest of the series.
Without Rose and Noah, the Bulls have a lineup of:
With Noah, these team can offer a challenge and maybe compete for a playoff spot, but without him, they are simply a very average team.
Basically, the Bulls were not the same "top tier" team without their top two players
Upsets in the playoffs are Memphis beating San Antonio, the Warriors beating the Mavs and even the Giants beating the Patriots.
That's a full team with all of their players losing a game or series that they should have won.
An upset is not losing your two best players and then fighting to lose by one point in game six. In fact, had the Bulls won, that would have been an upset in itself.
Twizlamic said 05/12, 05:47 PM
Now I definitely understand your premise. That with 40% of their starting lineup being out the Bulls were not at full strength and were no longer favorites in the series.
I disagree with this for the following reasons:
Home court advantage:
The Bulls still had it. That is why its so hard to beat a 1 seed. You have to beat the favorite team in their house more often then they have to beat you in yours. Playoff games are not played in a vaccum, and the crowd can have an impact on players attitudes as well as the way officials view the game.
The other Bulls Players:
The Bulls as far as I understand field a whole team. One of the reasons why the Bulls were regular season champs was their depth. If you want to blame the Bulls lost on a player being MIA then you should blame it on Carlos Boozer. What happened to his game? If the Bulls as a team decided to step up they would of sent the young upstart 6ers back to Philly for an early summer vacation.
The 76ers Roster:
Simply put they lack a superstar. It has been a widely held belief that you can not win in the NBA without a superstar. There have been exceptions but those have always been regarded as upsets.
J-Business said 05/14, 01:21 AM
A team of
is not a #1 seed by any stretch of the imagination. Depth only means something if you have your top players. Thus when you lose your two best players, those number 3,4,5 guys who were so great as role players and off the bench now have to be the stars
The home court advantage was largely irrelevant because without Rose and Noah, the Sixers literally were the better team, both on paper and on the court
The fact that the Bulls would have had to "step up" to win the series, shows that they were no longer the same team.
The Bulls lost their best offensive and defensive player for the series.
On paper they were the number one team but in reality, they were not
Hence, the Sixers winning the series was not a big upset.
Twizlamic said 05/14, 07:32 PM
So general consensus I am getting is that no one especially those in Philadelphia who would normally fans of the team are saying that this was no accomplishment.
In my opinion it is of note that a team without a true superstar has come out of the woodwork and between the best regular season team.
Philly fans are a fickle bunch indeed and it seems this is just further proof.
You can discredit home court advantage but I still think there is an advantage there. If home court advantage was not a benefit then I can see where this coupled with the lost of two starters would lessen the accomplishment but I still think that its a reason to show a little pride in the home team.
The 6ers were lucky to not have to play the Bulls at full strength but anything can happen in the course of a game and this is the reason why we actually play games and not just pick winners base off of strenght of schedule. No team has been successful without a superstar (the Pistons are an exception).
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